[Exports_project_office] EXPORTS health plan
Craig M. Lee
craiglee at uw.edu
Wed Jan 13 16:07:28 PST 2021
Quarantine time will depend on what testing times look like, but my guess is that we’d be safe planning for 14+2 or 14+3…
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Craig M. Lee
University of Washington
Applied Physics Laboratory
1013 NE 40th St.
Seattle, WA 98105-6698
craiglee at uw.edu
(206) 685-7656
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> On Jan 13, 2021, at 3:59 PM, Ken Buesseler via Exports_project_office <exports_project_office at espo.nasa.gov> wrote:
>
> Good to be going through this again, as I had not thought about alternates staying until we sail. So is that a 17 or is it 18 Day Q at that point?
>
> Ken
>
> On 1/13/2021 6:45 PM, Ivona Cetinic via Exports_project_office wrote:
>> Alternates wait in hotel till we sail away, then they head home. No entry to the vessel.
>> Sari goes to hotel..
>>
>> We kinda spoke about this last week no?
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 13, 2021, 6:12 PM Craig M. Lee <craiglee at uw.edu <mailto:craiglee at uw.edu>> wrote:
>> My understanding is that NOC science would follow the same protocols as the rest of the science team, though we could discuss the possibility of their following the crew’s protocol.
>>
>> From previous conversations, I gathered that the crews are being asked to self-isolate at home (not strict), but move aboard roughly a week early and undergo PCR tests immediately on moving aboard, and at the end of that period, right before we sail.
>>
>> Better if the alternates do not come aboard for mob. As Jason notes, the more people the greater the risk. As for when they go home… if we develop infection during mob (or after), we start over again, with a new isolation period and another round of tests. There’d be a small advantage to having them stay until we sail, but it probably does not outweigh the inconvenience to the people.
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>> Craig M. Lee
>> University of Washington
>> Applied Physics Laboratory
>> 1013 NE 40th St.
>> Seattle, WA 98105-6698
>> craiglee at uw.edu <mailto:craiglee at uw.edu>
>> (206) 685-7656
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>>> On Jan 13, 2021, at 1:12 PM, Graff, Jason Robert <Jason.Graff at oregonstate.edu <mailto:Jason.Graff at oregonstate.edu>> wrote:
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>>> I thought the last discussion we had about alternates was that they don’t MOB but stay quarantined (fewer people fewer problems) and that Sari would quarantine with us.
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>>>
>>> Jason Graff
>>> Oregon State University
>>> Assistant Professor - Senior Research
>>> 541-737-4090
>>>
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>>>> On Jan 13, 2021, at 1:00 PM, David Siegel via Exports_project_office <exports_project_office at espo.nasa.gov <mailto:exports_project_office at espo.nasa.gov>> wrote:
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>>>> [This email originated from outside of OSU. Use caution with links and attachments.]
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>>>> Next questions.
>>>>
>>>> Alternates. They go home as we MOB or they help with the MOB but our housed nearby? I think the former.
>>>>
>>>> Sari Giering. Do we treat her like the crew or as one of us? I can make both arguments. She is talking about having one her students act as an alternate.
>>>>
>>>> Any discussion? Dave
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On Jan 13, 2021, at 12:36 PM, Ivona Cetinic via Exports_project_office <exports_project_office at espo.nasa.gov <mailto:exports_project_office at espo.nasa.gov>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Again, i will organize the presentation in such a way that I can leave that part still as a list of ideas.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ivona
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Jan 13, 2021, 3:33 PM Ivona Cetinic <icetinic at gmail.com <mailto:icetinic at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>> Hello to all,
>>>>>
>>>>> I agree with Ken. I am waiting on info from UK but i was thinking of looking at mini buses. But i can ask for full size buses half full.
>>>>>
>>>>> I
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Jan 13, 2021, 3:08 PM Craig M. Lee via Exports_project_office <exports_project_office at espo.nasa.gov <mailto:exports_project_office at espo.nasa.gov>> wrote:
>>>>> Hi Ken,
>>>>>
>>>>> One thought on transfers and risk…
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyone who has been infected during transit (airports and aircraft) would not be contagious immediately upon landing. The risk comes later, after a few days of incubation. Thus the risk for the bus transfer comes from the driver, and undetected pre-travel infection. Bus ventilation systems are not at the same standard as passenger aircraft, which would be a reason for seeking a larger vehicle. But the people on the bus will have all undergone screening (pre-travel PCR test) that still leaves room for error, but is certainly better than the random collection of people they share the airplane cabin with on the way over.
>>>>>
>>>>> Good to be careful, but modulo the bus driver, this might not be a high-risk element of the chain.
>>>>>
>>>>> Craig
>>>>>
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>>>>> -------------------------------------------------------
>>>>> Craig M. Lee
>>>>> University of Washington
>>>>> Applied Physics Laboratory
>>>>> 1013 NE 40th St.
>>>>> Seattle, WA 98105-6698
>>>>> craiglee at uw.edu <mailto:craiglee at uw.edu>
>>>>> (206) 685-7656
>>>>> (206) 543-6785 (fax)
>>>>> http://iop.apl.washington.edu <http://iop.apl.washington.edu/>
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>>>>>> On Jan 13, 2021, at 11:45 AM, Ken Buesseler via Exports_project_office <exports_project_office at espo.nasa.gov <mailto:exports_project_office at espo.nasa.gov>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We too on Sarmiento are wondering about travel that likely includes Lisbon to Vigo via bus (2 hr, maybe shorter than Heathrow to Southampton, and safer travel option than another flight through Madrid/Barcelona). Thinking in our case of wanting lots of spacing, greater perhaps than on the flights, so say a 60 passenger bus for 20 people, or multiple partially filled vans.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am sharing with Ivona the Sarmiento DRAFT Covid plan later today/tomorrow. It is different in format, but essentially same rules. I'd share a copy today, but until the Spanish sign off, it is a moving target, but rest assured we will be trying to be safe and make folks comfortable who are traveling, have crew match our quarantine plans, etc. I can share a copy when I share with the rest of the Sarmiento participants if you want.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ken
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 1/13/2021 1:53 PM, Graff, Jason Robert via Exports_project_office wrote:
>>>>>>> A few more comments/edits. Thanks for working so hard on this Ivona! It will be critical for some of us at institutions (like OSU) that are hesitant to allow any travel.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have had multiple people ask about travel from airport to Southampton and if bringing everyone into a shared bus from Heathrow before quarantine is a good idea….anyway, something for us to think about.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jason
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jason Graff
>>>>>>> Oregon State University
>>>>>>> Assistant Professor - Senior Research
>>>>>>> jrgraff at science.oregonstate.edu <mailto:jrgraff at science.oregonstate.edu>
>>>>>>> 541-737-4090
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Jan 13, 2021, at 5:42 AM, Cetinic, Ivona (GSFC-616.0)[UNIVERSITIES SPACE RESEARCH ASSOCIATION] via Exports_project_office <exports_project_office at espo.nasa.gov <mailto:exports_project_office at espo.nasa.gov>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> [This email originated from outside of OSU. Use caution with links and attachments.]
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>>>>>>>> Good morning to all,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I will wait till noon my time to see if anything comes from Guy regarding the missing parts of the document (NOC portion). If not, I will send an email canceling the PI meeting tomorrow. Feel free to send me your comments throughout the day, but I will stop updating the document today afternoon till I receive further info from NOC.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Also – do we need to meet for PO? I myself have no updates. Probably by next Thursday I will have couple of things I would like to discuss (Logging data aboard the vessels, platform tracking, and yes this document). And then would like to snatch the whole meeting for discussion of the document.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ivona
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> From: Exports_project_office <exports_project_office-bounces at espo.nasa.gov <mailto:exports_project_office-bounces at espo.nasa.gov>> On Behalf Of Cetinic, Ivona (GSFC-616.0)[UNIVERSITIES SPACE RESEARCH ASSOCIATION] via Exports_project_office
>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2021 10:33 PM
>>>>>>>> To: Deborah K. Steinberg <debbies at vims.edu <mailto:debbies at vims.edu>>; Exports_project_office <exports_project_office at espo.nasa.gov <mailto:exports_project_office at espo.nasa.gov>>
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Exports_project_office] [EXTERNAL] Re: EXPORTS health plan
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hiya
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thank you Deb. I will work through the comments tomorrow morning in hope that we will hear something from NOC. If we do – I will send an email that whole team should meet on Thursday. If not, well then we will postpone it till the next week.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I can put a statement in beginning that takes care of the fluency of the situation, and that it will be updated with most recent documentation and changes will be implemented blab la bla. Thank you for the note on appendix, I still have to comb through those and link them up
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ivona
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> From: Deborah K. Steinberg <debbies at vims.edu <mailto:debbies at vims.edu>>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2021 9:57 PM
>>>>>>>> To: Cetinic, Ivona (GSFC-616.0)[UNIVERSITIES SPACE RESEARCH ASSOCIATION] <ivona.cetinic at nasa.gov <mailto:ivona.cetinic at nasa.gov>>; Exports_project_office <exports_project_office at espo.nasa.gov <mailto:exports_project_office at espo.nasa.gov>>
>>>>>>>> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [Exports_project_office] EXPORTS health plan
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Great job, Ivona. A few more minor comments attached. Appendix B looks ok.
>>>>>>>> Should we have a statement near beginning that says this doc based on current conditions (what we know now)? I.e., what if everyone is (magically) vaccinated by April?
>>>>>>>> Also, I may have missed ,but wasn’t sure where UNOLS document appendix is referred to in text, and should have its own Appendix number ‘D’.
>>>>>>>> ~Deb
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> From: Exports_project_office <exports_project_office-bounces at espo.nasa.gov <mailto:exports_project_office-bounces at espo.nasa.gov>> on behalf of "Cetinic, Ivona (GSFC-616.0)[UNIVERSITIES SPACE RESEARCH ASSOCIATION] via Exports_project_office" <exports_project_office at espo.nasa.gov <mailto:exports_project_office at espo.nasa.gov>>
>>>>>>>> Reply-To: "Cetinic, Ivona (GSFC-616.0)[UNIVERSITIES SPACE RESEARCH ASSOCIATION]" <ivona.cetinic at nasa.gov <mailto:ivona.cetinic at nasa.gov>>
>>>>>>>> Date: Tuesday, January 12, 2021 at 9:29 AM
>>>>>>>> To: Exports_project_office <exports_project_office at espo.nasa.gov <mailto:exports_project_office at espo.nasa.gov>>
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Exports_project_office] EXPORTS health plan
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thank you Dave, I will catch up with Craig today. My biggest issue is lack of NOC documentation. I am not sure how we can proceed without that one. Same as you, I really want this off my desk.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Note to all – as you have seen on the second page there is a table with my name on it (I will add all of you but, I need a NASA name for now there). As we modify this – and modifications will be needed, I will be releasing a new versions with updated list of modifications. So small changes are not an issue. But NOC document is really needed – it is a big chunk of this …
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ivona
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> From: Exports_project_office <exports_project_office-bounces at espo.nasa.gov <mailto:exports_project_office-bounces at espo.nasa.gov>> On Behalf Of David Siegel via Exports_project_office
>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, January 11, 2021 9:47 PM
>>>>>>>> To: Ivona Cetinic <icetinic at gmail.com <mailto:icetinic at gmail.com>>
>>>>>>>> Cc: exports_project_office at espo.nasa.gov <mailto:exports_project_office at espo.nasa.gov>
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Exports_project_office] EXPORTS health plan
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi Ivona et al,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> My mostly minor comments are attached. It would be great to get this presented this coming Thursday so we can move onto our next issues…
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Best, Dave
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> > On Jan 11, 2021, at 10:54 AM, Ivona Cetinic via Exports_project_office <exports_project_office at espo.nasa.gov <mailto:exports_project_office at espo.nasa.gov>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > Hiya to all,
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > here it is in its glory - everything is in there except the NOC part (and sailing part that I cannot write without their plan).
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > Please - I need everyone's eye's on Appendix B - does this make sense? I would appreciate comments asap.
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > Craig - I might email you separately on some issues under appendix b.
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > Thank you
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > Ivona
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>>>>>>> Jason Graff
>>>>>>> Oregon State University
>>>>>>> Assistant Professor - Senior Research
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