[Exports_project_office] EXPORTS health plan

Wed Jan 13 16:13:14 PST 2021

I agree. I hope soon we can hear from NOC what is the turnaround for tests.
In begining they said that they will have a 24 hour turnaround. If that is
truly the case we can move things over. But now, i think we have to go with
an assumption that turnaround will be 2-3 days.

Ivona

On Wed, Jan 13, 2021, 7:08 PM Craig M. Lee via Exports_project_office <
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> Quarantine time will depend on what testing times look like, but my guess
> is that we’d be safe planning for 14+2 or 14+3…
>
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> On Jan 13, 2021, at 3:59 PM, Ken Buesseler via Exports_project_office <
> exports_project_office at espo.nasa.gov> wrote:
>
> Good to be going through this again, as I had not thought about alternates
> staying until we sail.  So is that a 17 or is it 18 Day Q at that point?
>
> Ken
> On 1/13/2021 6:45 PM, Ivona Cetinic via Exports_project_office wrote:
>
> Alternates wait in hotel till we sail away, then they head home. No entry
> to the vessel.
> Sari goes to hotel..
>
> We kinda spoke about this last week no?
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 13, 2021, 6:12 PM Craig M. Lee <craiglee at uw.edu> wrote:
>
>> My understanding is that NOC science would follow the same protocols as
>> the rest of the science team, though we could discuss the possibility of
>> their following the crew’s protocol.
>>
>> From previous conversations, I gathered that the crews are being asked to
>> self-isolate at home (not strict), but move aboard roughly a week early and
>> undergo PCR tests immediately on moving aboard, and at the end of that
>> period, right before we sail.
>>
>> Better if the alternates do not come aboard for mob. As Jason notes, the
>> more people the greater the risk. As for when they go home… if we develop
>> infection during mob (or after), we start over again, with a new isolation
>> period and another round of tests. There’d be a small advantage to having
>> them stay until we sail, but it probably does not outweigh the
>> inconvenience to the people.
>>
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>> Craig M. Lee
>> University of Washington
>> Applied Physics Laboratory
>> 1013 NE 40th St.
>> Seattle, WA 98105-6698
>> craiglee at uw.edu
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>> On Jan 13, 2021, at 1:12 PM, Graff, Jason Robert <
>> Jason.Graff at oregonstate.edu> wrote:
>>
>> I thought the last discussion we had about alternates was that they don’t
>> MOB but stay quarantined (fewer people fewer problems) and that Sari would
>> quarantine with us.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Jason Graff
>> Oregon State University
>> Assistant Professor - Senior Research
>> 541-737-4090
>>
>>
>> On Jan 13, 2021, at 1:00 PM, David Siegel via Exports_project_office <
>> exports_project_office at espo.nasa.gov> wrote:
>>
>> [This email originated from outside of OSU. Use caution with links and
>> attachments.]
>> Next questions.
>>
>> Alternates.  They go home as we MOB or they help with the MOB but our
>> housed nearby? I think the former.
>>
>> Sari Giering. Do we treat her like the crew or as one of us? I can make
>> both arguments.  She is talking about having one her students act as an
>> alternate.
>>
>> Any discussion?  Dave
>>
>>
>> On Jan 13, 2021, at 12:36 PM, Ivona Cetinic via Exports_project_office <
>> exports_project_office at espo.nasa.gov> wrote:
>>
>> Again, i will organize the presentation in such a way that I can leave
>> that part still as a list of ideas.
>>
>> Ivona
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 13, 2021, 3:33 PM Ivona Cetinic <icetinic at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello to all,
>>>
>>> I agree with Ken. I am waiting on info from UK but i was thinking of
>>> looking at mini buses. But i can ask for full size buses half full.
>>>
>>> I
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 13, 2021, 3:08 PM Craig M. Lee via Exports_project_office <
>>> exports_project_office at espo.nasa.gov> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Ken,
>>>>
>>>> One thought on transfers and risk…
>>>>
>>>> Anyone who has been infected during transit (airports and aircraft)
>>>> would not be contagious immediately upon landing. The risk comes later,
>>>> after a few days of incubation. Thus the risk for the bus transfer comes
>>>> from the driver, and undetected pre-travel infection. Bus ventilation
>>>> systems are not at the same standard as passenger aircraft, which would be
>>>> a reason for seeking a larger vehicle. But the people on the bus will have
>>>> all undergone screening (pre-travel PCR test) that still leaves room for
>>>> error, but is certainly better than the random collection of people they
>>>> share the airplane cabin with on the way over.
>>>>
>>>> Good to be careful, but modulo the bus driver, this might not be a
>>>> high-risk element of the chain.
>>>>
>>>> Craig
>>>>
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>>>> Craig M. Lee
>>>> University of Washington
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>>>> On Jan 13, 2021, at 11:45 AM, Ken Buesseler via Exports_project_office <
>>>> exports_project_office at espo.nasa.gov> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> We too on Sarmiento are wondering about travel that likely includes
>>>> Lisbon to Vigo via bus (2 hr, maybe shorter than Heathrow to Southampton,
>>>> and safer travel option than another flight through Madrid/Barcelona).
>>>> Thinking in our case of wanting lots of spacing, greater perhaps than on
>>>> the flights, so say a 60 passenger bus for 20 people, or multiple partially
>>>> filled vans.
>>>>
>>>> I am sharing with Ivona the Sarmiento DRAFT Covid plan later
>>>> today/tomorrow.  It is different in format, but essentially same rules.
>>>> I'd share a copy today, but until the Spanish sign off, it is a moving
>>>> target, but rest assured we will be trying to be safe and make folks
>>>> comfortable who are traveling, have crew match our quarantine plans, etc.
>>>> I can share a copy when I share with the rest of the Sarmiento participants
>>>> if you want.
>>>>
>>>> Ken
>>>> On 1/13/2021 1:53 PM, Graff, Jason Robert via Exports_project_office
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> A few more comments/edits.  Thanks for working so hard on this Ivona!
>>>> It will be critical for some of us at institutions (like OSU) that are
>>>> hesitant to allow any travel.
>>>>
>>>> I have had multiple people ask about travel from airport to Southampton
>>>> and if bringing everyone into a shared bus from Heathrow before quarantine
>>>> is a good idea….anyway, something for us to think about.
>>>>
>>>> Jason
>>>>
>>>> Jason Graff
>>>> Oregon State University
>>>> Assistant Professor - Senior Research
>>>> jrgraff at science.oregonstate.edu
>>>> 541-737-4090
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Jan 13, 2021, at 5:42 AM, Cetinic, Ivona (GSFC-616.0)[UNIVERSITIES
>>>> SPACE RESEARCH ASSOCIATION] via Exports_project_office <
>>>> exports_project_office at espo.nasa.gov> wrote:
>>>>
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>>>> Good morning to all,
>>>>
>>>> I will wait till noon my time to see if anything comes from Guy
>>>> regarding the missing parts of the document (NOC portion). If not, I will
>>>> send an email canceling the PI meeting tomorrow. Feel free to send me your
>>>> comments throughout the day, but I will stop updating the document today
>>>> afternoon till I receive further info from NOC.
>>>>
>>>> Also – do we need to meet for PO? I myself have no updates. Probably by
>>>> next Thursday I will have couple of things I would like to discuss (Logging
>>>> data aboard the vessels, platform tracking, and yes this document).  And
>>>> then would like to snatch the whole meeting for discussion of the document.
>>>>
>>>> Ivona
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Exports_project_office <
>>>> exports_project_office-bounces at espo.nasa.gov> *On Behalf Of *Cetinic,
>>>> Ivona (GSFC-616.0)[UNIVERSITIES SPACE RESEARCH ASSOCIATION] via
>>>> Exports_project_office
>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 12, 2021 10:33 PM
>>>> *To:* Deborah K. Steinberg <debbies at vims.edu>; Exports_project_office <
>>>> exports_project_office at espo.nasa.gov>
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [Exports_project_office] [EXTERNAL] Re: EXPORTS health
>>>> plan
>>>>
>>>> Hiya
>>>>
>>>> Thank you Deb. I will work through the comments tomorrow morning in
>>>> hope that we will hear something from NOC. If we do – I will send an email
>>>> that whole team should meet on Thursday. If not, well then we will postpone
>>>> it till the next week.
>>>>
>>>> I can put a statement in beginning that takes care of the fluency of
>>>> the situation, and that it will be updated with most recent documentation
>>>> and changes will be implemented blab la bla. Thank you for the note on
>>>> appendix, I still have to comb through those and link them up
>>>>
>>>> ivona
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Deborah K. Steinberg <debbies at vims.edu>
>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 12, 2021 9:57 PM
>>>> *To:* Cetinic, Ivona (GSFC-616.0)[UNIVERSITIES SPACE RESEARCH
>>>> ASSOCIATION] <ivona.cetinic at nasa.gov>; Exports_project_office <
>>>> exports_project_office at espo.nasa.gov>
>>>> *Subject:* [EXTERNAL] Re: [Exports_project_office] EXPORTS health plan
>>>>
>>>> Great job, Ivona. A few more minor comments attached.  Appendix B looks
>>>> ok.
>>>> Should we have a statement near beginning that says this doc based on
>>>> current conditions (what we know now)? I.e., what if everyone is
>>>> (magically) vaccinated by April?
>>>> Also, I may have missed ,but wasn’t sure where UNOLS document appendix
>>>> is referred to in text, and should have its own Appendix number ‘D’.
>>>> ~Deb
>>>>
>>>> *From: *Exports_project_office <
>>>> exports_project_office-bounces at espo.nasa.gov> on behalf of "Cetinic,
>>>> Ivona (GSFC-616.0)[UNIVERSITIES SPACE RESEARCH ASSOCIATION] via
>>>> Exports_project_office" <exports_project_office at espo.nasa.gov>
>>>> *Reply-To: *"Cetinic, Ivona (GSFC-616.0)[UNIVERSITIES SPACE RESEARCH
>>>> ASSOCIATION]" <ivona.cetinic at nasa.gov>
>>>> *Date: *Tuesday, January 12, 2021 at 9:29 AM
>>>> *To: *Exports_project_office <exports_project_office at espo.nasa.gov>
>>>> *Subject: *Re: [Exports_project_office] EXPORTS health plan
>>>>
>>>> Thank you Dave, I will catch up with Craig today. My biggest issue is
>>>> lack of NOC documentation. I am not sure how we can proceed without that
>>>> one. Same as you, I really want this off my desk.
>>>>
>>>> Note to all – as you have seen on the second page there is a table with
>>>> my name on it (I will add all of you but, I need a NASA name for now
>>>> there). As we modify this – and modifications will be needed, I will be
>>>> releasing a new versions with updated list of modifications. So small
>>>> changes are not an issue. But NOC document is really needed – it is a big
>>>> chunk of this …
>>>>
>>>> Ivona
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Exports_project_office <
>>>> exports_project_office-bounces at espo.nasa.gov> *On Behalf Of *David
>>>> Siegel via Exports_project_office
>>>> *Sent:* Monday, January 11, 2021 9:47 PM
>>>> *To:* Ivona Cetinic <icetinic at gmail.com>
>>>> *Cc:* exports_project_office at espo.nasa.gov
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [Exports_project_office] EXPORTS health plan
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi Ivona et al,
>>>>
>>>> My mostly minor comments are attached.  It would be great to get this
>>>> presented this coming Thursday so we can move onto our next issues…
>>>>
>>>> Best, Dave
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> > On Jan 11, 2021, at 10:54 AM, Ivona Cetinic via
>>>> Exports_project_office <exports_project_office at espo.nasa.gov> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > Hiya to all,
>>>> >
>>>> > here it is in its glory - everything is in there except the NOC part
>>>> (and sailing part that I cannot write without their plan).
>>>> >
>>>> > Please - I need everyone's eye's on Appendix B - does this make
>>>> sense? I would appreciate comments asap.
>>>> >
>>>> > Craig - I might email you separately on some issues under appendix b.
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>> > Thank you
>>>> >
>>>> > Ivona
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