[Exports_project_office] EXPORTS health plan

Wed Jan 13 16:06:33 PST 2021

Sorry 27th. Had wine.

Ivona

On Wed, Jan 13, 2021, 7:01 PM Ivona Cetinic <icetinic at gmail.com> wrote:

> Currently, i have it written starting on April 10th till April 17th i
> think. Timeline is in the document.
>
> I am having an impeachment dinner.
>
> I
>
> On Wed, Jan 13, 2021, 6:59 PM Ken Buesseler via Exports_project_office <
> exports_project_office at espo.nasa.gov> wrote:
>
>> Good to be going through this again, as I had not thought about
>> alternates staying until we sail.  So is that a 17 or is it 18 Day Q at
>> that point?
>>
>> Ken
>> On 1/13/2021 6:45 PM, Ivona Cetinic via Exports_project_office wrote:
>>
>> Alternates wait in hotel till we sail away, then they head home. No entry
>> to the vessel.
>> Sari goes to hotel..
>>
>> We kinda spoke about this last week no?
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 13, 2021, 6:12 PM Craig M. Lee <craiglee at uw.edu> wrote:
>>
>>> My understanding is that NOC science would follow the same protocols as
>>> the rest of the science team, though we could discuss the possibility of
>>> their following the crew’s protocol.
>>>
>>> From previous conversations, I gathered that the crews are being asked
>>> to self-isolate at home (not strict), but move aboard roughly a week early
>>> and undergo PCR tests immediately on moving aboard, and at the end of that
>>> period, right before we sail.
>>>
>>> Better if the alternates do not come aboard for mob. As Jason notes, the
>>> more people the greater the risk. As for when they go home… if we develop
>>> infection during mob (or after), we start over again, with a new isolation
>>> period and another round of tests. There’d be a small advantage to having
>>> them stay until we sail, but it probably does not outweigh the
>>> inconvenience to the people.
>>>
>>> --
>>> -------------------------------------------------------
>>> Craig M. Lee
>>> University of Washington
>>> Applied Physics Laboratory
>>> 1013 NE 40th St.
>>> Seattle, WA 98105-6698
>>> craiglee at uw.edu
>>> (206) 685-7656
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>>>
>>> On Jan 13, 2021, at 1:12 PM, Graff, Jason Robert <
>>> Jason.Graff at oregonstate.edu> wrote:
>>>
>>> I thought the last discussion we had about alternates was that they
>>> don’t MOB but stay quarantined (fewer people fewer problems) and that Sari
>>> would quarantine with us.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Jason Graff
>>> Oregon State University
>>> Assistant Professor - Senior Research
>>> 541-737-4090
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jan 13, 2021, at 1:00 PM, David Siegel via Exports_project_office <
>>> exports_project_office at espo.nasa.gov> wrote:
>>>
>>> [This email originated from outside of OSU. Use caution with links and
>>> attachments.]
>>> Next questions.
>>>
>>> Alternates.  They go home as we MOB or they help with the MOB but our
>>> housed nearby? I think the former.
>>>
>>> Sari Giering. Do we treat her like the crew or as one of us? I can make
>>> both arguments.  She is talking about having one her students act as an
>>> alternate.
>>>
>>> Any discussion?  Dave
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jan 13, 2021, at 12:36 PM, Ivona Cetinic via Exports_project_office <
>>> exports_project_office at espo.nasa.gov> wrote:
>>>
>>> Again, i will organize the presentation in such a way that I can leave
>>> that part still as a list of ideas.
>>>
>>> Ivona
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 13, 2021, 3:33 PM Ivona Cetinic <icetinic at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello to all,
>>>>
>>>> I agree with Ken. I am waiting on info from UK but i was thinking of
>>>> looking at mini buses. But i can ask for full size buses half full.
>>>>
>>>> I
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jan 13, 2021, 3:08 PM Craig M. Lee via Exports_project_office <
>>>> exports_project_office at espo.nasa.gov> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Ken,
>>>>>
>>>>> One thought on transfers and risk…
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyone who has been infected during transit (airports and aircraft)
>>>>> would not be contagious immediately upon landing. The risk comes later,
>>>>> after a few days of incubation. Thus the risk for the bus transfer comes
>>>>> from the driver, and undetected pre-travel infection. Bus ventilation
>>>>> systems are not at the same standard as passenger aircraft, which would be
>>>>> a reason for seeking a larger vehicle. But the people on the bus will have
>>>>> all undergone screening (pre-travel PCR test) that still leaves room for
>>>>> error, but is certainly better than the random collection of people they
>>>>> share the airplane cabin with on the way over.
>>>>>
>>>>> Good to be careful, but modulo the bus driver, this might not be a
>>>>> high-risk element of the chain.
>>>>>
>>>>> Craig
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> -------------------------------------------------------
>>>>> Craig M. Lee
>>>>> University of Washington
>>>>> Applied Physics Laboratory
>>>>> 1013 NE 40th St.
>>>>> Seattle, WA 98105-6698
>>>>> craiglee at uw.edu
>>>>> (206) 685-7656
>>>>> (206) 543-6785 (fax)
>>>>> http://iop.apl.washington.edu
>>>>> -------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jan 13, 2021, at 11:45 AM, Ken Buesseler via Exports_project_office
>>>>> <exports_project_office at espo.nasa.gov> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> We too on Sarmiento are wondering about travel that likely includes
>>>>> Lisbon to Vigo via bus (2 hr, maybe shorter than Heathrow to Southampton,
>>>>> and safer travel option than another flight through Madrid/Barcelona).
>>>>> Thinking in our case of wanting lots of spacing, greater perhaps than on
>>>>> the flights, so say a 60 passenger bus for 20 people, or multiple partially
>>>>> filled vans.
>>>>>
>>>>> I am sharing with Ivona the Sarmiento DRAFT Covid plan later
>>>>> today/tomorrow.  It is different in format, but essentially same rules.
>>>>> I'd share a copy today, but until the Spanish sign off, it is a moving
>>>>> target, but rest assured we will be trying to be safe and make folks
>>>>> comfortable who are traveling, have crew match our quarantine plans, etc.
>>>>> I can share a copy when I share with the rest of the Sarmiento participants
>>>>> if you want.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ken
>>>>> On 1/13/2021 1:53 PM, Graff, Jason Robert via Exports_project_office
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> A few more comments/edits.  Thanks for working so hard on this Ivona!
>>>>> It will be critical for some of us at institutions (like OSU) that are
>>>>> hesitant to allow any travel.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have had multiple people ask about travel from airport to
>>>>> Southampton and if bringing everyone into a shared bus from Heathrow before
>>>>> quarantine is a good idea….anyway, something for us to think about.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jason
>>>>>
>>>>> Jason Graff
>>>>> Oregon State University
>>>>> Assistant Professor - Senior Research
>>>>> jrgraff at science.oregonstate.edu
>>>>> 541-737-4090
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jan 13, 2021, at 5:42 AM, Cetinic, Ivona (GSFC-616.0)[UNIVERSITIES
>>>>> SPACE RESEARCH ASSOCIATION] via Exports_project_office <
>>>>> exports_project_office at espo.nasa.gov> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> [This email originated from outside of OSU. Use caution with links and
>>>>> attachments.]
>>>>> Good morning to all,
>>>>>
>>>>> I will wait till noon my time to see if anything comes from Guy
>>>>> regarding the missing parts of the document (NOC portion). If not, I will
>>>>> send an email canceling the PI meeting tomorrow. Feel free to send me your
>>>>> comments throughout the day, but I will stop updating the document today
>>>>> afternoon till I receive further info from NOC.
>>>>>
>>>>> Also – do we need to meet for PO? I myself have no updates. Probably
>>>>> by next Thursday I will have couple of things I would like to discuss
>>>>> (Logging data aboard the vessels, platform tracking, and yes this
>>>>> document).  And then would like to snatch the whole meeting for discussion
>>>>> of the document.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ivona
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *From:* Exports_project_office <
>>>>> exports_project_office-bounces at espo.nasa.gov> *On Behalf Of *Cetinic,
>>>>> Ivona (GSFC-616.0)[UNIVERSITIES SPACE RESEARCH ASSOCIATION] via
>>>>> Exports_project_office
>>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 12, 2021 10:33 PM
>>>>> *To:* Deborah K. Steinberg <debbies at vims.edu>; Exports_project_office
>>>>> <exports_project_office at espo.nasa.gov>
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [Exports_project_office] [EXTERNAL] Re: EXPORTS health
>>>>> plan
>>>>>
>>>>> Hiya
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you Deb. I will work through the comments tomorrow morning in
>>>>> hope that we will hear something from NOC. If we do – I will send an email
>>>>> that whole team should meet on Thursday. If not, well then we will postpone
>>>>> it till the next week.
>>>>>
>>>>> I can put a statement in beginning that takes care of the fluency of
>>>>> the situation, and that it will be updated with most recent documentation
>>>>> and changes will be implemented blab la bla. Thank you for the note on
>>>>> appendix, I still have to comb through those and link them up
>>>>>
>>>>> ivona
>>>>>
>>>>> *From:* Deborah K. Steinberg <debbies at vims.edu>
>>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 12, 2021 9:57 PM
>>>>> *To:* Cetinic, Ivona (GSFC-616.0)[UNIVERSITIES SPACE RESEARCH
>>>>> ASSOCIATION] <ivona.cetinic at nasa.gov>; Exports_project_office <
>>>>> exports_project_office at espo.nasa.gov>
>>>>> *Subject:* [EXTERNAL] Re: [Exports_project_office] EXPORTS health plan
>>>>>
>>>>> Great job, Ivona. A few more minor comments attached.  Appendix B
>>>>> looks ok.
>>>>> Should we have a statement near beginning that says this doc based on
>>>>> current conditions (what we know now)? I.e., what if everyone is
>>>>> (magically) vaccinated by April?
>>>>> Also, I may have missed ,but wasn’t sure where UNOLS document appendix
>>>>> is referred to in text, and should have its own Appendix number ‘D’.
>>>>> ~Deb
>>>>>
>>>>> *From: *Exports_project_office <
>>>>> exports_project_office-bounces at espo.nasa.gov> on behalf of "Cetinic,
>>>>> Ivona (GSFC-616.0)[UNIVERSITIES SPACE RESEARCH ASSOCIATION] via
>>>>> Exports_project_office" <exports_project_office at espo.nasa.gov>
>>>>> *Reply-To: *"Cetinic, Ivona (GSFC-616.0)[UNIVERSITIES SPACE RESEARCH
>>>>> ASSOCIATION]" <ivona.cetinic at nasa.gov>
>>>>> *Date: *Tuesday, January 12, 2021 at 9:29 AM
>>>>> *To: *Exports_project_office <exports_project_office at espo.nasa.gov>
>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [Exports_project_office] EXPORTS health plan
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you Dave, I will catch up with Craig today. My biggest issue is
>>>>> lack of NOC documentation. I am not sure how we can proceed without that
>>>>> one. Same as you, I really want this off my desk.
>>>>>
>>>>> Note to all – as you have seen on the second page there is a table
>>>>> with my name on it (I will add all of you but, I need a NASA name for now
>>>>> there). As we modify this – and modifications will be needed, I will be
>>>>> releasing a new versions with updated list of modifications. So small
>>>>> changes are not an issue. But NOC document is really needed – it is a big
>>>>> chunk of this …
>>>>>
>>>>> Ivona
>>>>>
>>>>> *From:* Exports_project_office <
>>>>> exports_project_office-bounces at espo.nasa.gov> *On Behalf Of *David
>>>>> Siegel via Exports_project_office
>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, January 11, 2021 9:47 PM
>>>>> *To:* Ivona Cetinic <icetinic at gmail.com>
>>>>> *Cc:* exports_project_office at espo.nasa.gov
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [Exports_project_office] EXPORTS health plan
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Ivona et al,
>>>>>
>>>>> My mostly minor comments are attached.  It would be great to get this
>>>>> presented this coming Thursday so we can move onto our next issues…
>>>>>
>>>>> Best, Dave
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> > On Jan 11, 2021, at 10:54 AM, Ivona Cetinic via
>>>>> Exports_project_office <exports_project_office at espo.nasa.gov> wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Hiya to all,
>>>>> >
>>>>> > here it is in its glory - everything is in there except the NOC part
>>>>> (and sailing part that I cannot write without their plan).
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Please - I need everyone's eye's on Appendix B - does this make
>>>>> sense? I would appreciate comments asap.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Craig - I might email you separately on some issues under appendix b.
>>>>>
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Thank you
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Ivona
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>>>>> Jason Graff
>>>>> Oregon State University
>>>>> Assistant Professor - Senior Research
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