[Exports_project_office] Things that NEEDS to be resolved before Thursday

Tue Mar 16 17:31:05 PDT 2021

I think a path to allowing Meg to be vaccinated is a net benefit to the 
group that we should allow.

I appreciate the slippery slope, but moving in the direction of more 
vaccinations gives us a higher likelihood of success.  Other reasons, do 
the opposite.

Ken

On 2021/03/16 8:05 PM, Ivona Cetinic via Exports_project_office wrote:
> Hi Craig,
>
> I don't believe rules have changed... I could not tell her don't get 
> the vaccine. This was a situation where I had to make a decision and I 
> made it. I believe it is for the benefit of the team.
>
> She will be flying one day later. Not a week. One day. And we can 
> extend her quarantine too.
>
> Ivona
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 16, 2021, 7:59 PM Craig M. Lee <craiglee at uw.edu 
> <mailto:craiglee at uw.edu>> wrote:
>
>     Hi Ivona,
>
>     I’ll write to Guy with our questions.
>
>     Regarding shortening of quarantine… this is a very bad precedent.
>     I understand the rationale behind letting Meg fly a day later, but
>     it is a slippery slope. The logical extension of shortening Meg’s
>     quarantine is that it’s OK to shorten the quarantine of everyone
>     who is vaccinated. How much shorter? Can we shorten it for the
>     non-vaccinated as well? CDC says isolation periods could be
>     shortened considerably, but that’s for a land-based scenario - not
>     one where we're placing people on ships, in close quarters, and
>     sending them to sea (though not terribly remote, this time). I do
>     not believe that we should shorten the quarantine. You’ve heard
>     the arguments, and I will not repeat them here. We’d previously
>     agreed to apply the same rules across the entire science party.
>     This has now changed.
>
>     Regarding Sari’s situation, what is the current NOC protocol? My
>     recollection is that it’s a shorter quarantine, all taking place
>     on the ship. Augmented by self-imposed home isolation in the days
>     prior to moving aboard. Allowing her to follow whatever the rest
>     of the (local) crew follow would be consistent, and probably no
>     riskier than what we’re already exposed to with the crews. As with
>     the rest of the NOC folks, we are relying on her compliance with
>     the pre-boarding protocol, though.
>
>     Craig
>
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>     > On Mar 16, 2021, at 4:19 PM, Ivona Cetinic via
>     Exports_project_office <exports_project_office at espo.nasa.gov
>     <mailto:exports_project_office at espo.nasa.gov>> wrote:
>     >
>     > Hi to all,
>     >
>     > Before we give a final ok to people we need some things
>     resolved. I would prefer that the questions that go to Guy are
>     coming from one of the chief scientists:
>     >
>     > 1) seafarers agreement (Guy) - when will that document be
>     provided to our scientists? Prior to trip makes their entrance to
>     UK easier. It makes also our tests independent and not reportable
>     to UK government.
>     >
>     > 2) Demob (Guy) Currently demob is scheduled to last two days.
>     What does that mean? Are scientist staying aboard for one night
>     after arrival or two nights?
>     > When (generally) does the vessel return to the port?
>     > How fast upon our return can we have medics come on board to do
>     tests?
>     >
>     > We need clarity on that as to say to people when to book their
>     flights back to USA. I am counting on 24 hour turnaround for tests
>     and if they are spending only a single night aboard, I will need
>     to get rooms for all, and then they should all be flying out on
>     June 3rd.
>     >
>     >
>     > 3) for PO today I got an email from Sari (sailing on process
>     ship) asking if she can do an NOC and not an exports quarantine.
>     She was calling herself on documents provided to us, and I asked
>     her for additional clarification  on details.
>     >
>     > 4)For PO  Meg E. Called me today from pharmacy saying she can
>     get a vaccine today only if she flies one day later. I made on
>     spot decision to allow that and I will organize a separate
>     transport for her. She will start quarantine one day later, but
>     she will be fully vaccinated.
>     >
>     > 5)for PO fkn emmanuel boss (who texted me today at least million
>     times) heard about that I allowed Meg to fly a day later and now
>     he is asking if he can fly a day later bc he needs to teach. I
>     don't believe that is the same situation as Megs. I am pretty
>     pissed at him for sending me texts all day, and now some quotes
>     from CDC trying to prove that it is ok if he quarantines 13 days.
>     I will leave it upon you. But note that for each one of them I
>     need to organize a separate transport.
>     >
>     > Thank you. I appreciate your help on resolution of these things.
>     Note if anyone from the science party texts me during dinner again
>     (and they are not in terrible emergency or they want to share
>     puppy or baby photos), I will quit.
>     >
>     > Thank you so much
>     >
>     > Ivona
>     >
>     >
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