[Oracles-flight-planning] Planning for routine flights
Jens Redemann
Jens.Redemann-1 at nasa.gov
Tue May 31 17:30:42 PDT 2016
... and strip the .txt file extension, of course... sigh
On 5/31/2016 5:27 PM, Jens Redemann wrote:
> Hi Arlindo,
>
> I took a kludge crack at this. Attached is a flight plan that goes out
> along 12S. I did not use a real ict writer, but instead used the
> header in the file you provided, changed some things by hand and
> interpolated (lat, lon, altkm, altft) between a text file I had of the
> flight plan produced with the Langley flight planning tool. I did
> update the P-3 speed versus altitude fit that Steve H provided a while
> back, so I am somewhat confident that this is borderline realistic in
> terms of flight duration (9hrs). I do not have nice spacing/formatting
> in the data lines, but it is comma-delimited which I believe is all
> that matters for ict format.
>
> Could you try this and let me know if it works for reading on your
> side and producing GEOS-5 curtains? That sure would be a great feature
> for Thursday's flight planning telecon.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jens
>
> On 5/31/2016 12:58 PM, Dasilva, Arlindo M. (GSFC-6101) wrote:
>> Patrick,
>>
>> At some point to you think you could provide us ICARTT file,
>> 1minute sampling, with these flight tracks? Don’t fuss about about
>> plane altitute at this point, and choose a nominal take-off time. The
>> idea is to have a flight plan in a format similar to the nav files
>> one would have from an actual flight. We have been using this
>> approach to create before- and after flight-curtains in KORUS-AQ
>> using the same set of utilities. A sample ICARTT file is attached.
>>
>> If you provide such file I can easily produce GEOS-5 curtains based
>> on last year’s data.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Arlindo
>>
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>> On May 23, 2016 at 10:58:22 PM, Patrick W. Hillyard
>> (patrick.hillyard at nasa.gov <mailto:patrick.hillyard at nasa.gov>) wrote:
>>
>>> The error has been corrected and the video resposted. The link and
>>> file name are the same.
>>>
>>>
>>> Pat
>>>
>>> *From:* Steven Howell [mailto:showell at soest.hawaii.edu]
>>> *Sent:* Monday, May 23, 2016 11:31 AM
>>> *To:* Patrick W. Hillyard
>>> *Cc:* 'Jens Redemann'; oracles-flight-planning at espo.nasa.gov
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Oracles-flight-planning] Planning for routine flights
>>>
>>> Looks like you swapped the end longitudes of the 5 and 15 S tracks.
>>> If we go farther north, we can't go as far west.
>>>
>>> Steve
>>>
>>> On May 23, 2016, at 7:52 AM, Patrick W. Hillyard
>>> <patrick.hillyard at nasa.gov> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> User is ‘ORACLES’ and password is ‘2_dry_2_run’
>>>
>>> Pat
>>>
>>> *From:*Jens Redemann [mailto:Jens.Redemann-1 at nasa.gov <http://nasa.gov>]
>>> *Sent:*Monday, May 23, 2016 10:52 AM
>>> *To:*Patrick W. Hillyard;
>>> <mailto:oracles-flight-planning at espo.nasa.gov>oracles-flight-planning at espo.nasa.gov
>>> *Subject:*Re: [Oracles-flight-planning] Planning for routine flights
>>>
>>> Thanks, Pat. Could you remind us of the login info?
>>>
>>> Thx,
>>>
>>> Jens
>>>
>>> On 5/23/2016 10:50 AM, Patrick W. Hillyard wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> A new movie has been posted to bocachica that has the IR
>>> imagery, 600mbar flow, and 3 legs of Steve’s flight tracks on it
>>> – 5S, 10S, and 15S. The 9 hour flight legs are plotted with
>>> asterisks placed where the 8 hour flight ends. The direct link
>>> to the video is
>>>
>>> <http://bocachica.arc.nasa.gov/ORACLES/sat/ir/IR_600mbar_track.mov>http://bocachica.arc.nasa.gov/ORACLES/sat/ir/IR_600mbar_track.mov
>>>
>>> It is also available on the webpage at
>>>
>>> <http://bocachica.arc.nasa.gov/ORACLES/sat/ircalendar.html>http://bocachica.arc.nasa.gov/ORACLES/sat/ircalendar.html
>>>
>>> Note that like the other video, it is too large to be opened in
>>> the browser. You will need to first download the video to your
>>> computer and then play it.
>>>
>>>
>>> Pat
>>>
>>> *From:*oracles-flight-planning
>>> [mailto:oracles-flight-planning-bounces at espo.nasa.gov]*On Behalf
>>> Of*Jens Redemann
>>> *Sent:*Friday, May 13, 2016 11:47 AM
>>> *To:*<mailto:oracles-flight-planning at espo.nasa.gov>oracles-flight-planning at espo.nasa.gov
>>> *Subject:*Re: [Oracles-flight-planning] Planning for routine flights
>>>
>>> See response below. Thanks, Lenny.
>>>
>>> Jens
>>>
>>> On 5/12/2016 6:58 PM, Leonhard Pfister wrote:
>>>
>>> (1) I will ask Pat if he can draw these on the imagery. If
>>> he can draw the met fields, we can certainly draw flight plans.
>>>
>>> These plans are easy enough that no kml file is needed,
>>> since three or four points define each plan.
>>>
>>> That's great. Thanks for asking Pat.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> (2) I understand the logic of the east-west leg -- the idea
>>> being to follow the BB plume as it descends into the cloud.
>>>
>>> And yes, the climo winds, even down to 850mb show easterlies to
>>> 10-15S, with bending occurring between those two
>>>
>>> latitudes as Steve says. We are spending a lot of time going
>>> northward and southward near the coast, though. Is this
>>>
>>> productive?. Should we consider heading NW and then eastward
>>> following the curve of the 600mb flow (and then retracing that
>>>
>>> backwards)?
>>>
>>> That's an interesting idea. I have no preference. The basic idea
>>> was to give the climate modelers something repetitive for model
>>> testing. I am not sure if a constant-latitude leg is essential
>>> for that. Maybe Rob and Paquita can chime in here?!
>>>
>>> Jens
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> L.
>>>
>>> On 5/12/16 5:12 PM, Jens Redemann wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Steve,
>>>
>>> thanks for doing this - I finally had some time to look at
>>> this. You have put a lot of thought into this and I am not
>>> sure what the best way for a productive discussion is. My
>>> gut feeling is that the most productive way (because it
>>> receives the most diverse feedback) to move forward is to
>>> discuss this during the STM in June, as part of the flight
>>> planning activities. I am attaching a preliminary agenda, in
>>> which I scheduled this discussion under your leadership for
>>> Saturday morning (the whole agenda is still in flux, but the
>>> list of topics should be near-final). As you can see, the
>>> major push for the June in-person STM will be to discuss
>>> flight planning and plans. We could provide a preview in our
>>> May telecon next week?!
>>>
>>> By way of upfront commentary, I think my strong preference
>>> would be for routine flight plans that reach far out into
>>> the SE Atlantic. I wonder if we could task somebody to
>>> overlay the pattern you drew up onto the satellite imagery
>>> or even some Worldview combination of RGB and AOD
>>> retrievals. That could be quite useful. If you send out a
>>> kmz or digital file with the coordinates, maybe we could ask
>>> Lenny to take a crack at this?!
>>>
>>> I think your scoring of the flight plan for what you call
>>> mechanical characteristics may change a bit as we learn more
>>> form the instrument PI's about their instrument preferred
>>> mode(s) of operation - this will be part of the homework for
>>> next week and the STM - I am hoping to get to that homework
>>> assignment tomorrow.
>>>
>>> Thanks again for spurring the discussion,
>>>
>>> Jens
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 5/10/2016 8:51 PM, Steven Howell wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> Having sent out a sample routine flight plan last
>>> September with no responses, I figure I'll try again to
>>> get the conversation going. I've attached the plan I
>>> sent before, but also want to illustrate the tradeoffs
>>> between latitude and time surveying.
>>>
>>> I'm assuming a high altitude transit to a target
>>> latitude, then a survey to the west at varying
>>> altitudes, more or less like the attached plan. It takes
>>> about 3 hours to get to 15 S and back, and an additional
>>> 12 minutes (round trip) for each additional degree
>>> north. So we lose an hour of survey time by choosing 10
>>> S rather than 15 S. During the survey, I assume an
>>> average flight speed of 136 m/s. That reflects time
>>> spent low and climbing, when the P-3 slows by 15 m/s.
>>>
>>> My original plan is for 15 S, but the 600 mbar wind / IR
>>> movie makes it seem like 15 is often at the very
>>> southern edge of the outflow, where it is turning south.
>>> It seems to me that going farther north might be
>>> worthwhile, but it'll mean long transits. I wanted to
>>> superimpose the plots below on the movie, but didn't
>>> come up with an easy way to do it.
>>>
>>> The first map below shows the distances surveyed in 8
>>> hour routine flights. The second is for 9 hour flights.
>>> Given the weight problems we've heard so much about, I
>>> don't know whether 9 hour flights are possible.
>>>
>>> Steve
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sep 29, 2015, at 3:23 PM, Steven
>>> Howell<mailto:showell at soest.hawaii.edu><showell at soest.hawaii.edu>wrote:
>>>
>>> > Hi,
>>> >
>>> > I was going to bring this up during the telecon, but
>>> after 2 hours I decided to simply write it out instead.
>>> >
>>> > We agreed at the meeting that what we learned during
>>> the dry run should be used to evaluate possible routine
>>> flight plans. We might as well do that while our
>>> memories are fresh. In the attached document, I've
>>> listed possible criteria for comparing candidate flight
>>> plans and applied some of them (the easy ones) to the
>>> routine flight plan from the proposal.
>>> >
>>> > Is this a productive way to start? I'd welcome
>>> suggestions for changing the criteria, for modifications
>>> to the flight plan, and for entirely different flight
>>> plans. I need help trying to figure out how to gauge
>>> whether the flight plan was useful on any particular
>>> day, given the meteorology and aerosols estimated as
>>> well as practical from satellite and model measurements.
>>> >
>>> > I'm willing to make a few more candidate flight plans
>>> for us to evaluate. What I have in mind are:
>>> > 1) Essentially the proposal plan but avoiding Angolan
>>> airspace and spending another half hour above the BB
>>> plume, sacrificing an in-situ leg.
>>> > 2) Extend to a 10 hour plan.
>>> > 3) Move to 12 S.
>>> >
>>> > Are these worth looking at?
>>> >
>>> > Thanks,
>>> > Steve
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > <routine_flight_criteria_SH.docx>
>>> > --
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