[Exports_project_office] Things that NEEDS to be resolved before Thursday

Tue Mar 16 18:16:47 PDT 2021

I just said no to him. He stepped back. He hates me but yeah.

When I took the position of a project scientists, I was told that I am not
a good project scientist if I don't make a person a day hate me. Well, many
days before the cruise.

Thank you.

Ivona

On Tue, Mar 16, 2021 at 9:14 PM Craig M. Lee <craiglee at uw.edu> wrote:

> Agreed that it makes sense to allow Meg the day to get her vaccinations -
> many advantages to doing that. Extending quarantine on the back end would
> keep things consistent, at the cost of a day of mob. That said, we should
> not be surprised when/if others step forward to ask for exceptions. Those
> decisions are going to create some strife. For example, I do not believe
> that we should grant Emmanuel’s request to shorten his quarantine to allow
> him to teach. But should he be offered the ability to shift the entire
> quarantine period to the right by one day? I lean toward no, but that
> decision is less obvious. Then there’s the question of where we draw the
> line between ‘essential’ (safety training, vaccination) and ‘convenient’
> (teaching schedules, conflicts with meetings, etc).
>
> -Craig
>
>
> On Mar 16, 2021, at 5:05 PM, Ivona Cetinic <icetinic at gmail.com> wro
> Hi Craig,
>
> I don't believe rules have changed... I could not tell her don't get the
> vaccine. This was a situation where I had to make a decision and I made it.
> I believe it is for the benefit of the team.
>
> She will be flying one day later. Not a week. One day. And we can extend
> her quarantine too.
>
> Ivona
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 16, 2021, 7:59 PM Craig M. Lee <craiglee at uw.edu> wrote:
>
>> Hi Ivona,
>>
>> I’ll write to Guy with our questions.
>>
>> Regarding shortening of quarantine… this is a very bad precedent. I
>> understand the rationale behind letting Meg fly a day later, but it is a
>> slippery slope. The logical extension of shortening Meg’s quarantine is
>> that it’s OK to shorten the quarantine of everyone who is vaccinated. How
>> much shorter? Can we shorten it for the non-vaccinated as well? CDC says
>> isolation periods could be shortened considerably, but that’s for a
>> land-based scenario - not one where we're placing people on ships, in close
>> quarters, and sending them to sea (though not terribly remote, this time).
>> I do not believe that we should shorten the quarantine. You’ve heard the
>> arguments, and I will not repeat them here. We’d previously agreed to apply
>> the same rules across the entire science party. This has now changed.
>>
>> Regarding Sari’s situation, what is the current NOC protocol? My
>> recollection is that it’s a shorter quarantine, all taking place on the
>> ship. Augmented by self-imposed home isolation in the days prior to moving
>> aboard. Allowing her to follow whatever the rest of the (local) crew follow
>> would be consistent, and probably no riskier than what we’re already
>> exposed to with the crews. As with the rest of the NOC folks, we are
>> relying on her compliance with the pre-boarding protocol, though.
>>
>> Craig
>>
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>> > On Mar 16, 2021, at 4:19 PM, Ivona Cetinic via Exports_project_office <
>> exports_project_office at espo.nasa.gov> wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi to all,
>> >
>> > Before we give a final ok to people we need some things resolved. I
>> would prefer that the questions that go to Guy are coming from one of the
>> chief scientists:
>> >
>> > 1) seafarers agreement (Guy) - when will that document be provided to
>> our scientists? Prior to trip makes their entrance to UK easier. It makes
>> also our tests independent and not reportable to UK government.
>> >
>> > 2) Demob (Guy) Currently demob is scheduled to last two days. What does
>> that mean? Are scientist staying aboard for one night after arrival or two
>> nights?
>> > When (generally) does the vessel return to the port?
>> > How fast upon our return can we have medics come on board to do tests?
>> >
>> > We need clarity on that as to say to people when to book their flights
>> back to USA. I am counting on 24 hour turnaround for tests and if they are
>> spending only a single night aboard, I will need to get rooms for all, and
>> then they should all be flying out on June 3rd.
>> >
>> >
>> > 3) for PO today I got an email from Sari (sailing on process ship)
>> asking if she can do an NOC and not an exports quarantine. She was calling
>> herself on documents provided to us, and I asked her for additional
>> clarification  on details.
>> >
>> > 4)For PO  Meg E. Called me today from pharmacy saying she can get a
>> vaccine today only if she flies one day later. I made on spot decision to
>> allow that and I will organize a separate transport for her. She will start
>> quarantine one day later, but she will be fully vaccinated.
>> >
>> > 5)for PO fkn emmanuel boss (who texted me today at least million times)
>> heard about that I allowed Meg to fly a day later and now he is asking if
>> he can fly a day later bc he needs to teach. I don't believe that is the
>> same situation as Megs. I am pretty pissed at him for sending me texts all
>> day, and now some quotes from CDC trying to prove that it is ok if he
>> quarantines 13 days. I will leave it upon you. But note that for each one
>> of them I need to organize a separate transport.
>> >
>> > Thank you. I appreciate your help on resolution of these things. Note
>> if anyone from the science party texts me during dinner again (and they are
>> not in terrible emergency or they want to share puppy or baby photos), I
>> will quit.
>> >
>> > Thank you so much
>> >
>> > Ivona
>> >
>> >
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