[Exports_project_office] FW: [EXTERNAL] Re: 2021 EXPORTS cruise out of NOC
Cetinic, Ivona (GSFC-616.0)[UNIVERSITIES SPACE RESEARCH ASSOCIATION]
ivona.cetinic at nasa.gov
Wed Jan 6 07:22:07 PST 2021
This is great news - thank you Ken for leading this. Maybe we should distribute this to the _all list. Ken - do you want to send an email to all?
Ivona
-----Original Message-----
From: Ken Buesseler <kbuesseler at whoi.edu>
Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2021 10:17 AM
To: Short, Jon <jos at noc.ac.uk>; Steve Pike <spike at whoi.edu>; Comben, Daniel H. <dhc at noc.ac.uk>
Cc: NMFOPS <NMFOPS at noc.ac.uk>; Claudia Benitez-Nelson <cbnelson at geol.sc.edu>; David Siegel <david.siegel at ucsb.edu>; Cetinic, Ivona (GSFC-616.0)[UNIVERSITIES SPACE RESEARCH ASSOCIATION] <ivona.cetinic at nasa.gov>; Craig M. Lee <craiglee at uw.edu>
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: 2021 EXPORTS cruise out of NOC
Thanks! very helpful for our preparations. Ken
On 1/6/2021 10:11 AM, Short, Jon wrote:
> Hi Ken,
>
> Your spreadsheet looks fine to me and captures all of the information we would expect to see.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Jon
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Ken Buesseler <kbuesseler at whoi.edu>
>> Sent: 06 January 2021 14:21
>> To: Steve Pike <spike at whoi.edu>; Short, Jon <jos at noc.ac.uk>; Comben,
>> Daniel H. <dhc at noc.ac.uk>
>> Cc: NMFOPS <NMFOPS at noc.ac.uk>; Claudia Benitez-Nelson
>> <cbnelson at geol.sc.edu>; David Siegel <david.siegel at ucsb.edu>;
>> Cetinic, Ivona (GSFC-616.0)[UNIVERSITIES SPACE RESEARCH ASSOCIATION]
>> <ivona.cetinic at nasa.gov>; Craig M. Lee <craiglee at uw.edu>
>> Subject: Re: 2021 EXPORTS cruise out of NOC
>>
>> Jon et al.
>>
>> Thanks for the PAT info.
>>
>> Since we have your attention on the PAT issue, I looked at this link
>> and can find no specific check off list. Just to confirm, the FAQ
>> states-
>>
>> "The person doing testing work needs to competent to do it. In many
>> low- risk environments, a sensible (competent) member of staff can
>> undertake visual inspections if they have enough knowledge and training."
>>
>> and
>>
>> "New equipment should be supplied in a safe condition and not require
>> a formal portable appliance inspection or test. However, a simple
>> visual check is recommended to verify the item is not damaged."
>>
>> So it seems OK if we follow this advice as to who and what to test.
>>
>>
>> Digging deeper we did find in the multi page UK document (HSG107) on
>> this that inspection includes-
>>
>> - correct polarity of cables; correct fusing; effective termination
>> of cables and confirming equipment is suitable for its environment.
>>
>> To this end, we came up with a draft check list (attached) that we
>> would encourage all scientists to use. Can you confirm that this is
>> an appropriate check list for all non-personal electrical items?
>>
>> thanks for confirming and we will pass your reply to others if you agree.
>>
>> Ken
>>
>>
>> PS- adding Siegel, Lee and Cetinic as this was an unresolved topic in
>> several emails with them in these past days
>>
>>
>> On 1/6/2021 8:43 AM, Steve Pike wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hi Jon and Happy New year to you as well.
>> Thanks for the PAT link. There were quite a few questions about what
>> this meant so I'll be sure to pass it along. We have a planning
>> meeting tomorrow for those of us on Discovery and will include your
>> note in logistics updates. I'll go over the check list for the van with my
>> team and be sure things are in good shape for the cruise. Let's pray
>> everything calms down with covid and we can get this done this year
>> without too many problems.
>> Cheers for now,
>> spike
>>
>> On 1/6/2021 6:45 AM, Short, Jon wrote:
>>
>>
>> Good Morning Spike,
>>
>> Happy new year to you, I hope this finds you well.
>>
>> Not sure exactly what the electrical certification you're referring
>> to is - possibly it's PAT (portable appliance testing) - this page
>> gives more info
>> https://gcc02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww
>> .hse.gov.uk%2Felectricity%2Ffaq-portable-&data=04%7C01%7Civona.ce
>> tinic%40nasa.gov%7C8a46ab9832894228c86e08d8b25625ca%7C7005d45845be48a
>> e8140d43da96dd17b%7C0%7C0%7C637455430376652299%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3
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>> 7C1000&sdata=0s172EFRH9xr72kPlXUn9tER5dxXHRZk9gSvM9vaIfw%3D&r
>> eserved=0
>> appliance-testing.htm
>> Essentially this just requires a competent person to have checked all
>> of the electrical equipment for any faults (earth leakage, broken
>> plugs that sort of thing) and to certify it as safe for use.
>>
>> I have attached a new deck plan as the requirements for this year's
>> trip have changed slightly. Will bear in mind the requirements for
>> the positioning of the thorium van and make sure that we put it
>> somewhere where the emergency exit and power connections are
>> accessible and clear for use.
>>
>> I have also attached a lab container checklist, Dan probably sent
>> this last year as well - please could you complete as you prep the
>> lab van for shipping and send back to me. This is to give our ships'
>> engineers confidence that the equipment coming on board has been
>> maintained and isn't going to cause any issues on board.
>>
>> Any further issues or queries feel free to get in touch.
>>
>> All the best,
>>
>> Jon
>>
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>> <mailto:jos at noc.ac.uk> |
>> | Senior Project Manager |
>> | NMF Programme Management Group |
>> | National Marine Facilities tel: (023) 80596284 |
>> | National Oceanography Centre mob: (07730) 672078 |
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Comben, Daniel H. <dhc at noc.ac.uk> <mailto:dhc at noc.ac.uk>
>> Sent: 04 January 2021 07:18
>> To: Pike, steve (spike at whoi.edu <mailto:spike at whoi.edu>
>> ) <spike at whoi.edu> <mailto:spike at whoi.edu>
>> Cc: Short, Jon <jos at noc.ac.uk> <mailto:jos at noc.ac.uk> ; NMFOPS
>> <NMFOPS at noc.ac.uk> <mailto:NMFOPS at noc.ac.uk>
>> Subject: FW: 2021 EXPORTS cruise out of NOC
>>
>> Hello Spike,
>>
>> I am doing ok and hope you are too, I hope
>> you had great Holiday. I am back to work now and just had a scan
>> through my pre- Christmas emails and saw I had missed this one so
>> really sorry for the delayed response.
>>
>> I have CC'd in Jon Short who is in charge off all the Exports Stuff
>> now so he is in the Loop, I will be assisting Jon with this but have
>> been out of the loop myself so have some catching up to do in the new
>> year.
>>
>>
>>
>> All noted regarding the position for the cable and the
>> escape hatch.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks for all the info and best regards,
>>
>>
>>
>> Dan
>>
>>
>>
>> Daniel Comben | Senior Project Manager, NMF
>>
>> Room 251/08, National Oceanography Centre, European Way,
>> Southampton, SO14
>> 3ZH
>>
>>
>>
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>> From: Steve Pike <spike at whoi.edu>
>> <mailto:spike at whoi.edu>
>> Sent: 18 December 2020 15:14
>> To: Comben, Daniel H. <dhc at noc.ac.uk>
>> <mailto:dhc at noc.ac.uk>
>> Subject: 2021 EXPORTS cruise out of NOC
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi Dan,
>> Hope you are doing well during these crazy times. With
>> the new year
>> approaching we are starting to focus on the spring 2021
>> cruises out of
>> NOC. I was asked to check on some issues that came up
>> about electrical
>> certifications which I hadn't heard of before. Can you
>> fill me in?
>> Just to refresh, I'm forwarding my Electrical and Set-
>> up SOP's again for
>> the lab van we will be sending. I've also attached the
>> proposed deck plan
>> from 2020. There are two things I want to go over with
>> you. First,
>> notice the "blue" box I drew on the inboard starboard
>> corner of the van.
>> This is where my power cord plugs into the van (see
>> picture). I would
>> like to move the van to the forward outboard position so
>> we are sure to
>> have plenty of cable to reach the ships panel. I
>> remember the ships panel
>> was just forward of the outboard van slot so my 60 foot
>> cable to reach
>> fine. I would also note that the window shown in the
>> picture of the van
>> is also the emergency escape hatch. I'm not sue if
>> there is access if
>> another van is in the inboard slot. Something to think
>> about when
>> loading.
>> I'll be in touch soon I'm sure with new lift
>> certificates and more.
>> Hope you have a Merry Christmas and look forward to
>> coming over this
>> spring.
>> Cheers
>> spike
>>
>> On 1/9/2020 9:34 AM, Comben, Daniel H. wrote:
>>
>> Hello Claudia, David & All,
>>
>> We will discuss
>> the 230Th and
>> 209Po with our Radio Active Protection Officer here at
>> NOC and revert if
>> any questions are raised. My understanding is that the
>> RN Sources will
>> remain yours and will remain inside the Rad Lab and that
>> all waste will
>> have to be returned to the issuing institute post
>> cruise. We will require
>> a nominated person to deal with the Rad from your team,
>> last time the
>> UNOLS thorium van came on the Discovery for DY077 this
>> was Steve Pike, I
>> assume it will be again? We will also require details
>> of any Rad
>> monitoring equipment you are bringing along. We can
>> capture all the
>> details in the Marine Facilities Planning website (MFP).
>>
>>
>>
>> Do you have any details, documentation or certification
>> for the
>> container, the UNOLS unit came with set up instructions
>> and a check list
>> which, if I remember correctly were very useful to the
>> on-board
>> engineering team for set up?
>>
>>
>>
>> You can choose your preferred container slot for the
>> café thorium
>> van. There are power and service connections at the fwd
>> & aft end of the
>> container slots. I have attached a draft deck plan with
>> the VAN in the
>> same slot it went in last time but whichever is best for
>> you?
>>
>> We will provide the 3 phase 4 pin Electric plug for
>> connection to
>> the ships supply.
>>
>>
>>
>> With regard to over-boarding of the Pumps, there are a
>> few options
>> available Mid ships Bull horn beam. just aft of the CTD
>> parallelogram. We
>> have a Core Warp/ General Purpose wire 18.5mm diameter
>> or a Trawl Warp
>> 14.5mm diameter. As David says, we unfortunately have no
>> ship fitted hydro
>> wire.
>>
>>
>>
>> We will have a deck winch with 1200m of 8mm wire rope
>> that can be
>> deployed through the aft crane over the stbd side. The
>> winch has line
>> out, speed and tension measurements. I would say that
>> the amidships
>> deployment would be a more efficient option if your Pump
>> clamps could
>> accommodate the larger Diameter wire.
>>
>>
>>
>> I hope that all makes sense,
>>
>>
>>
>> Best Regards,
>>
>>
>>
>> Dan
>>
>>
>>
>> Daniel Comben | Senior Project Manager, NMF
>>
>> Room 251/08, National Oceanography Centre, European Way,
>> Southampton, SO14 3ZH
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>> From: David Siegel <david.siegel at ucsb.edu>
>> <mailto:david.siegel at ucsb.edu>
>> <mailto:david.siegel at ucsb.edu>
>> <mailto:david.siegel at ucsb.edu>
>> Sent: 08 January 2020 22:36
>> To: Claudia Benitez-Nelson <cbnelson at geol.sc.edu>
>> <mailto:cbnelson at geol.sc.edu>
>> <mailto:cbnelson at geol.sc.edu>
>> <mailto:cbnelson at geol.sc.edu>
>> Cc: Craig M. Lee <craig at apl.washington.edu>
>> <mailto:craig at apl.washington.edu>
>> <mailto:craig at apl.washington.edu>
>> <mailto:craig at apl.washington.edu> ; Ivona Cetinic
>> <ivona.cetinic at nasa.gov> <mailto:ivona.cetinic at nasa.gov>
>> <mailto:ivona.cetinic at nasa.gov>
>> <mailto:ivona.cetinic at nasa.gov> ; Steve Pike <spike at whoi.edu>
>> <mailto:spike at whoi.edu>
>> <mailto:spike at whoi.edu> <mailto:spike at whoi.edu> ; Ken
>> Buesseler <kbuesseler at whoi.edu> <mailto:kbuesseler at whoi.edu>
>> <mailto:kbuesseler at whoi.edu>
>> <mailto:kbuesseler at whoi.edu> ; Montserrat Roca Marti
>> <mrocamarti at whoi.edu> <mailto:mrocamarti at whoi.edu>
>> <mailto:mrocamarti at whoi.edu>
>> <mailto:mrocamarti at whoi.edu> ; David Siegel <david.siegel at ucsb.edu>
>> <mailto:david.siegel at ucsb.edu>
>> <mailto:david.siegel at ucsb.edu>
>> <mailto:david.siegel at ucsb.edu> ; Comben, Daniel H. <dhc at noc.ac.uk>
>> <mailto:dhc at noc.ac.uk>
>> <mailto:dhc at noc.ac.uk> <mailto:dhc at noc.ac.uk>
>> Subject: Re: Following up on 230Th use question, vans,
>> and pump cast
>> wire diameter
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi Claudia,
>>
>>
>>
>> HYE to you all too!!! Thanx for all of this. My plan
>> has been to
>> upload requirements info to their magic website next
>> week.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jan 8, 2020, at 1:46 PM, Claudia Benitez-Nelson
>> <cbnelson at geol.sc.edu <mailto:cbnelson at geol.sc.edu>
>> <mailto:cbnelson at geol.sc.edu> <mailto:cbnelson at geol.sc.edu> > wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Happy New Year Dave and Craig!
>>
>>
>>
>> The cruise is coming up and we are in the process of
>> ordering
>> supplies and shipping pumps to WHOI. We've secured two
>> more pumps to
>> serve as backup for our casts and support the Close
>> research (hurray!).
>>
>>
>>
>> There are still a couple of remaining questions that
>> would be
>> wonderful if they could be resolved soon:
>>
>>
>>
>> 1) 230Th and 209Po are considered licensed materials in
>> the
>> United States even though the activities are vanishingly
>> small. We'd like
>> to confirm that the ship has all of the information they
>> need from us with
>> regards to use. I've attached the documentation that
>> was used for the
>> Scripps Ships.
>>
>>
>>
>> Didn't realize there were minute amounts of radiotracers
>> going
>> aboard for this. Thanx. I will upload this to the shared
>> folder and will
>> talk with Dan about document requirements for the
>> tracers coming aboard
>> (Dan will foward these to you shortly).
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 2) Van Hookup. We "should" be fine regarding power hook
>> up,
>> Can we put Cafe Th in the forward outboard van slot on
>> the 01 deck? Our
>> power cable should be ok based on previous sailing.
>> Please note that the
>> electrical information does not provide any information
>> on the plug type
>> needed for the van (outlet type, M/F). So we are
>> crossing our fingers.
>>
>>
>>
>> The plan as I understand it is to have the Cafe Th van
>> on 01 /
>> mezzanine deck as you suggest. There is 440 V power
>> available. Will get
>> the plug type / gender to you soon.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 3) Pump clamps. In your QA Discovery document, you had
>> our
>> needs as being 5/8 inch wire, it is actually 3/8 inch
>> (0.322 in) clamps.
>> While the Discovery does provide the size of all of the
>> wires on board
>> (Discovery website document), it is still unclear WHICH
>> wire we will be
>> using (Allowed to clamp to the CTD? Trawl wire?), etc.
>>
>>
>>
>> My (hand written - barely legible) notes say that there
>> is not a
>> classic hydro winch on the Discovery and that the plan
>> was to use 5/8"
>> wire on the midship mounted trawl winch. My notes had
>> another option if
>> that does not work to use a deck mounted 8 mm galvanized
>> wire (0.315 in),
>> which is a bit smaller than 3/8". There has been no
>> discussion about
>> using the CTD wire...
>>
>>
>>
>> With all of this, Dan please correct me!!!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks again and looking forward to seeing all of your
>> inSan
>> Diego in a few weeks!
>>
>>
>>
>> Its a month and a half and yes I am counting...
>>
>>
>>
>> Best, Dave and Craig
>>
>>
>>
>>
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