[Exports_project_office] Fwd: [EXTERNAL] Re: NOC ships
Ken Buesseler
kbuesseler at whoi.edu
Tue Sep 1 08:24:41 PDT 2020
Yes, great news.
I'll move forward and try to get the Sarmiento reconfirmed as well for
some part of those 28 days and bring this back to the table for WHOI's
OTZ program.
As far as my project, we'd be ready and up for this. I also realize
between the 234Th and trap projects, some "rejiggering" may be
needed/possible. We should talk (and bring in Meg at some point).
Let us know when this is officially conveyed to UNOLS, so we don't give
away anything they don't already know.
Do we have a call this Thu? Ken
On 9/1/2020 11:02 AM, David Siegel via Exports_project_office wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> Good news!!! We have the Discovery and James Cook in late May through
> June for 28 days on station. Seems it would be good to brainstorm a
> list of things to make this all work. Big issues (within our control)
> are rejiggering plans due to fewer berths (we should have 28 on each
> ship assuming 4 NOC techs sail) and a slew of logistics issues
> (shipping, travel, safety / medical certification, support for the
> above, etc., etc.). Please let Ivona and me know if you cannot make it
> (I know Craig Lee is at sea).
>
> Best, Dave & Ivona
>
>> Begin forwarded message:
>>
>> *From: *"Darlington, Eleanor F." <eleanor.darlington at noc.ac.uk
>> <mailto:eleanor.darlington at noc.ac.uk>>
>> *Subject: **Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: NOC ships*
>> *Date: *September 1, 2020 at 1:08:58 AM PDT
>> *To: *"Lorenzoni, Laura (HQ-DK000)" <laura.lorenzoni at nasa.gov
>> <mailto:laura.lorenzoni at nasa.gov>>, David Siegel
>> <david.siegel at ucsb.edu <mailto:david.siegel at ucsb.edu>>, "Short, Jon"
>> <jos at noc.ac.uk <mailto:jos at noc.ac.uk>>
>>
>> Good morning Laura,
>>
>> Following on from the meeting last week the board have approved that
>> we can explore the option for having Exports on both vessels. As I
>> said before, Exports is a high priority cruise and it also doesn’t
>> pose significant equipment or time clashes on the vessels.
>>
>> Therefore myself and Natalie, the programme manager at NERC, have
>> ring fenced the late May - June timeframe to support Exports on the
>> James Cook and Discovery. There are plenty of puzzle pieces moving
>> about, but we should be able to move these around without impacting
>> the slot for you.
>>
>> The 21/22 marine facilities programme doesn’t get fully approved
>> until October; absolute confirmation and exact dates won’t be firm
>> until then. But it’s looking like late May & June. I will keep in
>> touch as the programme construction progresses over the next month.
>>
>> Hope that helps,
>> Ella
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> *From:*Lorenzoni, Laura (HQ-DK000) <laura.lorenzoni at nasa.gov
>> <mailto:laura.lorenzoni at nasa.gov>>
>> *Sent:*Monday, August 31, 2020 8:42 pm
>> *To:*Darlington, Eleanor F.; David Siegel
>> *Subject:*Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: NOC ships
>> Hi Ella – Happy Monday! I hope you’ve had a good week-end, and a good
>> week ahead.
>> David and I just wanted to touch base with you to see if there were
>> any new developments regarding the meeting from last week.
>> Thank you!
>> Laura
>>
>> *From:*"Darlington, Eleanor F." <eleanor.darlington at noc.ac.uk
>> <mailto:eleanor.darlington at noc.ac.uk>>
>> *Date:*Monday, August 17, 2020 at 3:48 AM
>> *To:*"Lorenzoni, Laura (HQ-DK000)" <laura.lorenzoni at nasa.gov
>> <mailto:laura.lorenzoni at nasa.gov>>, David Siegel
>> <david.siegel at ucsb.edu <mailto:david.siegel at ucsb.edu>>
>> *Subject:*Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: NOC ships
>>
>> Morning Laura,
>>
>> Not a problem. As I’ve said before, we have an exec board who make
>> the final decision and sign off – we are meeting next week, and again
>> in October.
>>
>> As with so many things at the moment, some people and programmes are
>> likely to miss out – this has nothing to do with Exports, just
>> location, timing and equipment availability. I’m really keen for the
>> community to know that all the options have been explored and that
>> the correct processes have been followed. As for Mike, can you hold
>> off for a week or so – I just don’t want NERC to feel that I’m not
>> following the proper channels, especially as the new kid on the
>> block! I’m most likely being over cautious here mind you, I’m just
>> aware that we are having to juggle dishing out some bad news to some
>> at the moment.
>>
>> It’s all looking hopeful for exports though😊
>>
>> Ella
>>
>> *From:*"Lorenzoni, Laura (HQ-DK000)" <laura.lorenzoni at nasa.gov
>> <mailto:laura.lorenzoni at nasa.gov>>
>> *Date:*Friday, 14 August 2020 at 19:37
>> *To:*"Darlington, Eleanor F." <eleanor.darlington at noc.ac.uk
>> <mailto:eleanor.darlington at noc.ac.uk>>, David Siegel
>> <david.siegel at ucsb.edu <mailto:david.siegel at ucsb.edu>>
>> *Subject:*Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: NOC ships
>>
>> Hi Ella – thank you so much for your note; you have been absolutely
>> wonderful to EXPORTS and we’re very grateful.
>> This is fantastic, thank you so much! I believe both scenarios 2 and
>> 3 would work out best, but we can work with what we get.
>> We tagged up with the folks from PAP yesterday and in the discussion
>> it was suggested that it may be a good idea for us to send a note to
>> Mike Webb thanking him for the support. What do you think?
>> Again, thank you so much, we remain very hopeful!
>> Best, and happy week-end,
>> Laura
>>
>> *From:*"Darlington, Eleanor F." <eleanor.darlington at noc.ac.uk
>> <mailto:eleanor.darlington at noc.ac.uk>>
>> *Date:*Friday, August 14, 2020 at 12:27 PM
>> *To:*David Siegel <david.siegel at ucsb.edu <mailto:david.siegel at ucsb.edu>>
>> *Cc:*"Lorenzoni, Laura (HQ-DK000)" <laura.lorenzoni at nasa.gov
>> <mailto:laura.lorenzoni at nasa.gov>>
>> *Subject:*[EXTERNAL] Re: NOC ships
>>
>> Good afternoon,
>>
>> I realised I hadn’t been in touch for a little while, my apologies.
>> Our first science cruise is about to leave, headed for the coast of
>> the Congo – of all places – so the logistics of that has been time
>> consuming to say the least!
>>
>> I am just putting together the papers for the exec meeting at the end
>> of the month. We have had a few additional requests, and some have
>> been postponed another year. We are putting forward three scenarios
>> and for all of them I have allocated both James Cook and Discovery to
>> Exports, but the start dates differ slightly:
>>
>> #1: mid June > mid July
>> #2 & #3: Late May and June
>>
>> So throughout all the commotion and fluidity of the programme at the
>> moment, I have been able to keep these times blocked out for Exports.
>>
>> Still nothing concrete because it has to go to the exec, no promises
>> and all the usual caveats – but I wanted you to know how things are
>> progressing.
>>
>> Hope you both have a good weekend,
>> Ella
>>
>> *From:*David Siegel <david.siegel at ucsb.edu
>> <mailto:david.siegel at ucsb.edu>>
>> *Date:*Friday, 7 August 2020 at 00:30
>> *To:*"Darlington, Eleanor F." <eleanor.darlington at noc.ac.uk
>> <mailto:eleanor.darlington at noc.ac.uk>>
>> *Cc:*Laura Lorenzoni <laura.lorenzoni at nasa.gov
>> <mailto:laura.lorenzoni at nasa.gov>>, David Siegel
>> <david.siegel at ucsb.edu <mailto:david.siegel at ucsb.edu>>
>> *Subject:*Re: NOC ships
>>
>> Hi Ella,
>>
>> Thanx for the note and for trying to make this mess work out. It is
>> greatly appreciated. We were wondering if there is anything we can do
>> to help from our side to help move this forward. Could be more
>> information about the program and our plans… Or it could be
>> politically - you know like having Laura’s boss’ boss at NASA talk to
>> your boss’ boss at NERC. Anyways, thanx for the support.
>>
>> Best, Dave
>>
>> ************************
>> David A. Siegel
>> Chair, Interdepartmental Graduate Program in Marine Science, and
>> Professor, Department of Geography and Earth Research Institute
>> UC Santa Barbara
>> Santa Barbara, CA 93106-3060, USA
>> Ph: 01-805-893-4547
>> Em:david.siegel at ucsb.edu <mailto:david.siegel at ucsb.edu>
>> URL: people.eri.ucsb.edu/~davey
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>> On Aug 5, 2020, at 6:27 AM, Darlington, Eleanor F.
>> <eleanor.darlington at noc.ac.uk
>> <mailto:eleanor.darlington at noc.ac.uk>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Laura,
>>
>> I did have a good weekend thanks. I was able to see my sister for
>> the first time since October😊I hope you did too.
>>
>> Thank you for your e-mail. Yesterday I received permission to
>> explore the two ship option, as below. NERC own the ship
>> programme and have a board who review it and make the final
>> decision. There is a Cruise Programme Executive Board that meets
>> every 6 months, but we have an additional interim meeting at the
>> end of August. The programme is confirmed and signed off at the
>> October meeting. I had been pushing to get decisions made prior
>> to that, but unfortunately there has been no shift.
>>
>> At the end of our 20/21 programme we have a ship scheduled to end
>> in Cape Town in March. At the moment there are no commercial
>> flights into the region; this advice is updated at the end of
>> September. This, together with clashing requests for the ROV is
>> putting additional pressures onto the programme.
>>
>> What’s next? Well, I will continue to hold June for both ships
>> and try and fit everything else in around – this is because they
>> score highly in the priority matrix that we have. The different
>> scenarios will be presented to CPEB in August where I will get
>> feedback from them. If there is a clash, CPEB will take the
>> decision as to which gets priority. At the moment I am working on
>> the two ship option. I will have another option for the 1 ship
>> with a 23^rd June start at PAP site.
>>
>> The take home here is that I am trying my best to get both ships
>> for the Exports work, there will be a better indication after
>> CPEB at the end of August, and the final sign off of the 21/22
>> programme won’t be until October. I was really trying to get
>> answers expedited but this has unfortunately not happened, for
>> which I can only apologise. The ever changing C-19 environment
>> keeps adding extra things into the mix which is why they want to
>> keep to the decision making structure as much as possible.
>>
>> I will keep you posted with any updates, or if I see conflicts
>> arising in the programme for the June slot.
>>
>> Ella
>>
>> [Yesterday 08:52] Natalie Powney - UKRI NERC
>> Good news - Susan has agreed that NMF can "continue exploratory
>> discussions with NASA and Cefas" , making it clear that there
>> would be no commitment to inclusion in a programme until October,
>> and we will update options at August CPEB
>>
>> *From:*"Lorenzoni, Laura (HQ-DK000)" <laura.lorenzoni at nasa.gov
>> <mailto:laura.lorenzoni at nasa.gov>>
>> *Date:*Saturday, 1 August 2020 at 21:39
>> *To:*"Darlington, Eleanor F." <eleanor.darlington at noc.ac.uk
>> <mailto:eleanor.darlington at noc.ac.uk>>
>> *Cc:*David Siegel <david.siegel at ucsb.edu
>> <mailto:david.siegel at ucsb.edu>>
>> *Subject:*NOC ships
>>
>> Good afternoon Ella – I hope you are enjoying your week-end.
>> Dave and I have been discussing funding, EXPORTS science,
>> transit/travel for our scientists and logistics, and it is
>> becoming increasingly apparent that we will need to have two
>> ships departing from the same port, ideally the two NOC ships
>> we’ve been discussing.
>> The scenario where we use one UNOLS vessel and one NOC ship is
>> getting quite complicated, and at this moment looking as if it’s
>> not going to be possible to execute.
>> I am so sorry to put more pressure on you, but the likelihood of
>> EXPORTS being able to do its work in the North Atlantic in 2021
>> is now riding on the possibility of having both the Discovery and
>> Cook available.
>> Do let us know please if you hear anything on ship availability;
>> we would very much appreciate knowing any information you may
>> hear on the likelihood of this happening, as if it can’t we will
>> have to re-think whether we can carry out EXPORTS as planned in 2021.
>> Thank you for all your efforts and help!
>> Laura
>>
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