[Exports_all] EXPORTS Cruise dates

[Collin Roesler]

Hi Paula

A couple of us have been communicating offline and there is concern that shifting the dates from the original will have significant impacts for those with teaching obligations. It is likely to prevent  some PIs from participating in the 2018 cruise when the original dates worked for us. What was Scripps' reason for shifting it forward 10 days? Is it a final decision? 

Thank you for your consideration. 
Collin

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> On Aug 10, 2017, at 9:47 AM, Bontempi, Paula (HQ-DK000) <paula.bontempi at nasa.gov> wrote:
> 
> Thank you for this, Ken.
> 
> An update from UNOLS, my understanding is that this is not published, but our current estimate:
> 
> Survey Ship is the Sally Ride – 8 August to 12 September
> Process Ship is the Revelle – 8 August to 11 September
> 
> We are looking at mob/demob for Seattle for both ships.  UNOLS is aware that we cannot have the two ships miles apart.  My understanding is that if a permit request is submitted early, EXPORTS will be able to use the commercial fishing vessel docks for mob/demob as the fishing fleet will be out.  I am not sure how this happens, but I will find out.
> 
> We need to continue to discuss, as per our telecom Tuesday, the duration of the cruise (if we need to shorten science days), the location of the study area (which UNOLS is really pressing for, we have Station P as our estimate), and the timing of the cruise (remember that our STR has a NET start date of 1 August, a NLT start date of 1 September, and an optimal start date of 15 August).
> 
> Please let me know of any other issues asap.  Thank you so much!
> 
> Paula
> 
> On 8/10/17, 1:48 AM, "Exports_all on behalf of Ken Buesseler" <exports_all-bounces at espo.nasa.gov on behalf of kbuesseler at whoi.edu> wrote:
> 
>    Paula-
> 
>    RE: new dates and 2 demob ports.
> 
>    Our project has 2 people from the 234Th project, a lab van, borrowed 
>    in-situ pumps, all that are being used by GEOTRACES.  In every other 
>    scenario with different dmob ports, I was concerned about getting this 
>    gear and people from Seattle off the Sally Ride survey ship up to Seward 
>    AK.  It seemed possible to offload that gear asap and arrange transport 
>    those 2500 miles (about 48 hours continuous driving per Google maps on a 
>    flat bed) 2-3 days later to catch back up to the Process ship now 
>    Revelle in AK in time for GEOTRACES (I was waiting to confirm this until 
>    we had dates and ports).
> 
>    With these new dates, if demob for Sally Ride is 15 Sept in Seattle and 
>    the Revelle demob is so much earlier on 11 Sept in Seward, the question 
>    is when will the depart date be for GEOTRACES?  Can you confirm this 
>    date, as if this is a "typical" turnaround, there would be no chance to 
>    move gear and people to Seward in time to leave on a ship (Revelle) that 
>    has already been demob'ed 4 days prior.
> 
>    Bottom line, we will do whatever we can in a 2 port demob scenario, but 
>    other than holding the Revelle for >1 week in Seward for a GEOTRACES 
>    start, I see no way this new timing can work.
> 
>    Ken
> 
> 
>>    On 8/9/2017 3:07 PM, Bontempi, Paula (HQ-DK000) wrote:
>> EXPORTS ST:
>> 
>>    Good morning.  From the UNOLS Scheduling meeting, our dates are still a bit of a moving target and there are a lot of discussions taking place, but right now we are scheduled for the following:
>> 
>> Survey Ship is the Sally Ride – 11 August to 15 September
>> Process Ship is the Revelle – 8 August to 11 September
>> 
>>    Yes, there are issues with this.
>> 
>> - Right now mob is out of Seattle on both.  We are working on the issue to have the two ships “next” to each other for optimal mob.
>> - Clearly the dates of the two ships don’t match.  UNOLS knows this is a problem for us (I told them it’s a no go; I quite literally do not know how to make this work given the science and personnel that will have to mob and demob on the two ships).
>> - The demob is under discussion.  NSF is not happy with Seattle/Seattle (what I requested).  NSF wants Revelle in Seward, this is purely driven by the fact that they don’t want to pay the transit themselves from Seattle to Seward for GEOTRACES.
>> - At least one team on this message has identified major personnel challenges if EXPORTS returns later than 4 September.  I am doing my best to work with UNOLS given the issue with the Thompson, but I would like to know if any more issues exist on the timing of the cruises that are staff related.
>> 
>> We need to continue to discuss, as per our telecom yesterday, the duration of the cruise (if we need to shorten science days), the location of the study area (which UNOLS is really pressing for, we have Station P as our estimate), and the timing of the cruise (remember that our STR has a NET start date of 1 August, a NLT start date of 1 September, and an optimal start date of 15 August).
>> 
>>    Please let me know if there are questions.
>> 
>>    Best wishes,
>> 
>>    Paula
>> 
>> 
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