[Agage-sc] [EXTERNAL] Re: Montreal Protocol Report request

Tue Apr 9 14:47:20 PDT 2024

Ray,

As far as I can tell Repy All is working correctly for both of us right now. I tried to trace the source of the earlier problem and I suspect it was autofilling the bounces address into the cc list. I think your address book entry is likely to solve that going forward, but recommend you keep an eye on it. Fingers crossed.

Cheers,
Lynn

From: "Weiss, Ray" <rfweiss at ucsd.edu>
Date: Tuesday, April 9, 2024 at 2:33 PM
To: Lynn Kennedy <lynn.kennedy at nasa.gov>, "Hannun, Reem A. (ARC-SGG)" <reem.a.hannun at nasa.gov>
Cc: Ronald G Prinn <rprinn at mit.edu>, AGAGE Steering Committee <agage-sc at espo.nasa.gov>
Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Montreal Protocol Report request

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P.S.  If I reply to Matt’s messages from earlier today using Outlook on my Mac, it gets it right.  There has to be another explanation.  Oh well, at least we are now aware…

From: Ray Weiss <rfweiss at ucsd.edu>
Date: Tuesday, April 9, 2024 at 14:30
To: "Kennedy, Lynn (ARC-SGP)[Bay Area Environmental Research Institute (BAER)]" <lynn.kennedy at nasa.gov>, "Hannun, Reem A. (ARC-SGG)" <reem.a.hannun at nasa.gov>
Cc: Ron Prinn <rprinn at mit.edu>, AGAGE Steering Committee <agage-sc at espo.nasa.gov>
Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Montreal Protocol Report request

Hi Lynn,

Well, I am using Outlook also!  So why is my Outlook working differently from yours?  Mine is on a Mac.

Best, Ray

From: "Kennedy, Lynn (ARC-SGP)[Bay Area Environmental Research Institute (BAER)]" <lynn.kennedy at nasa.gov>
Date: Tuesday, April 9, 2024 at 14:26
To: Ray Weiss <rfweiss at ucsd.edu>, "Hannun, Reem A. (ARC-SGG)" <reem.a.hannun at nasa.gov>
Cc: Ron Prinn <rprinn at mit.edu>, AGAGE Steering Committee <agage-sc at espo.nasa.gov>
Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Montreal Protocol Report request

Hi Ray,

I’ve been asking our IT team about this and they tell me that it is an artifact of some email clients, and that once a client picks up the bounce address in the CC field it will persist through a string of messages, so it’s worth watching for. Setting up the correct address in your address book is a wise move. There isn’t anything we can do because it’s not a problem with the mailing list itself.  I’m using Outlook and I am able to Reply All as expected with the message going to the original address for the AGAGE Steering Committee.

Regards,
Lynn

From: "Weiss, Ray" <rfweiss at ucsd.edu>
Date: Tuesday, April 9, 2024 at 2:11 PM
To: "Hannun, Reem A. (ARC-SGG)" <reem.a.hannun at nasa.gov>
Cc: Lynn Kennedy <lynn.kennedy at nasa.gov>, Ronald G Prinn <rprinn at mit.edu>, AGAGE Steering Committee <agage-sc at espo.nasa.gov>
Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Montreal Protocol Report request

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Hi Reem,

Thanks for the clarification.  So if I understand correctly, our incoming messages are listed as coming from the “bounces” address, so when we “reply all” that fails to get to the SC.  And to make matters worse, there is no rejection notice from the “bounces” address.  Can this be fixed at your end so that we can use “reply all” in the normal way?

In the meantime, I have made a new entry in my contacts list with the correct “non-bounces” address, and I am also copying it here…

Thanks again,

Ray

From: "Hannun, Reem A. (ARC-SGG)" <reem.a.hannun at nasa.gov>
Date: Tuesday, April 9, 2024 at 13:59
To: Ray Weiss <rfweiss at ucsd.edu>
Cc: "Kennedy, Lynn (ARC-SGP)[Bay Area Environmental Research Institute (BAER)]" <lynn.kennedy at nasa.gov>, Ron Prinn <rprinn at mit.edu>
Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Montreal Protocol Report request

Hi Ray,

I also did not receive the messages below. The correct email for the AGAGE SC list is: agage-sc at espo.nasa.gov<mailto:agage-sc at espo.nasa.gov> (not the bounces address). Please use that in all future communications, otherwise the messages will not go through! For future reference, if any non-members email to the list, their message will be held for moderation by myself or Lynn.

I will forward the thread below to the entire steering committee with a note about the correct address.

Reem

From: Weiss, Ray <rfweiss at ucsd.edu>
Date: Tuesday, April 9, 2024 at 12:10 PM
To: Hannun, Reem A. (ARC-SGG) <reem.a.hannun at nasa.gov>
Cc: R Prinn <rprinn at mit.edu>, agage-sc <agage-sc-bounces at espo.nasa.gov>, Muhle, Jens <jmuhle at ucsd.edu>, Matt Rigby <Matt.Rigby at bristol.ac.uk>
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Montreal Protocol Report request
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Hi Reem,

Can you please confirm that the messages in the chain below were actually sent to the AGAGE Steering Committee via the agage-sc-bounces at espo.nasa.gov<mailto:agage-sc-bounces at espo.nasa.gov> link?  I ask because they were addressed that way, but Jens has informed me that he did not receive them.  Of course, the problem could lie elsewhere, including in spam filters, but I thought it best to check with you first.

Best,

Ray

From: David Fahey - NOAA Federal <david.w.fahey at noaa.gov>
Date: Friday, March 15, 2024 at 15:39
To: Ray Weiss <rfweiss at ucsd.edu>
Cc: Ken Jucks <kenneth.w.jucks at nasa.gov>, Lucy Carpenter <lucy.carpenter at york.ac.uk>, Bonfils Safari <bonfilssafari at gmail.com>, Steve Montzka <Stephen.A.Montzka at noaa.gov>, Ron Prinn <rprinn at mit.edu>, agage-sc <agage-sc-bounces at espo.nasa.gov>
Subject: Re: Montreal Protocol Report request

Ray and Ron,
Excellent news.
We will ask you for a review of our text involving the AGAGE results before finalizing the report.
Regards,
Dave

On Thu, Mar 14, 2024 at 11:28 AM Weiss, Ray <rfweiss at ucsd.edu<mailto:rfweiss at ucsd.edu>> wrote:
Hi Dave,

Thanks for your encouragement.  Having received no concerns or objections from any of the addressees in my earlier message, and with Ron’s concurrence, you have our approval.  As you note, there certainly are significant benefits of highlighting AGAGE’s contributions in support of the MP.

Best,  Ray

From: David Fahey - NOAA Federal <david.w.fahey at noaa.gov<mailto:david.w.fahey at noaa.gov>>
Date: Wednesday, March 13, 2024 at 17:32
To: Ray Weiss <rfweiss at ucsd.edu<mailto:rfweiss at ucsd.edu>>
Cc: Ken Jucks <kenneth.w.jucks at nasa.gov<mailto:kenneth.w.jucks at nasa.gov>>, Lucy Carpenter <lucy.carpenter at york.ac.uk<mailto:lucy.carpenter at york.ac.uk>>, Bonfils Safari <bonfilssafari at gmail.com<mailto:bonfilssafari at gmail.com>>, Steve Montzka <Stephen.A.Montzka at noaa.gov<mailto:Stephen.A.Montzka at noaa.gov>>, Ron Prinn <rprinn at mit.edu<mailto:rprinn at mit.edu>>, agage-sc <agage-sc-bounces at espo.nasa.gov<mailto:agage-sc-bounces at espo.nasa.gov>>
Subject: Re: Montreal Protocol Report request

Ray,
Thank you for your reply on behalf of the AGAGE team. This is good news to us and we will await final approval from the team.
I think one benefit of this particular add-on task given to the SAP is that it will highlight the outstanding support that AGAGE provides to the Mont Prot.
Regards,
Dave

On Sat, Mar 9, 2024 at 10:46 AM Weiss, Ray <rfweiss at ucsd.edu<mailto:rfweiss at ucsd.edu>> wrote:
Hello Dave, Lucy, Ken and Bonfils,

Thanks for your e-mail.  Just two days ago we had the first meeting of the newly established AGAGE Steering Committee.  One of the items on its agenda was a similar request for updated AGAGE CH4 and N2O for the IPCC.  We are in complete agreement regarding the importance of providing AGAGE data for such global assessment efforts, and we don’t foresee any issue in providing the updated data and derived emissions for your report to the OEWG.  Indeed, most of the data are already available on-line.

We are including the AGAGE Steering Committee in this reply to be sure that there are no issues of which we are unaware.  As it happens, Matt Rigby is a committee member and its current Convener, so this should be a straightforward request to answer.  Also, on the subject of HFC-23, Matt and Simon O’Doherty (who is also on our Steering Committee) have a Bristol PhD student, Ben Adam, who is working on HFC-23 inversions of AGAGE data with Luke Western.  This may be of value to the SAP and TEAP report you mention, as long as it does not undercut Ben’s work.

As always, please reference the AGAGE ESSD paper cited below, and the AGAGE website, in any use of the data.  Incidentally, the hosting of the AGAGE website is in the process moving to NASA, but we don’t yet know when this move will be completed.

Best,

Ray and Ron

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From: David Fahey - NOAA Federal <david.w.fahey at noaa.gov<mailto:david.w.fahey at noaa.gov>>
Date: Thursday, March 7, 2024 at 19:39
To: Ron Prinn <rprinn at mit.edu<mailto:rprinn at mit.edu>>, Ray Weiss <rfweiss at ucsd.edu<mailto:rfweiss at ucsd.edu>>
Cc: Ken Jucks <kenneth.w.jucks at nasa.gov<mailto:kenneth.w.jucks at nasa.gov>>, Lucy Carpenter <lucy.carpenter at york.ac.uk<mailto:lucy.carpenter at york.ac.uk>>, Bonfils Safari <bonfilssafari at gmail.com<mailto:bonfilssafari at gmail.com>>, Steve Montzka <Stephen.A.Montzka at noaa.gov<mailto:Stephen.A.Montzka at noaa.gov>>
Subject: Montreal Protocol Report request

Dear Ray and Ron,

At the last Meeting of the Parties in Nairobi last October, Parties to the Montreal Protocol made several decisions in which they requested more information from SAP and TEAP about a number of issues (see attached--Decision XXXV/6 and XXXV/9). As SAP Co-chairs we hope not to burden the atmospheric science community overly with additional requests and tasks outside the regular 4-year cycle, but hope that you might agree to have updated AGAGE data and derived emissions included in a short report that is being compiled by us together with the TEAP.

Specifically, we believe that adding two years (so 2021 and 2022) to the global mole fractions and global emissions estimated from AGAGE (and NOAA) for dichloromethane and carbon tetrachloride would be highly relevant to these decisions and of interest to the Parties in this brief update.  Steve Montzka has agreed to provide the information from NOAA, and he in turn has been in contact with Matt Rigby and Luke Western, asking if they would have the time to provide the AGAGE data, and also the emission calculations for these gases for both NOAA and AGAGE. They have responded positively to this request.

So, would you be willing for updated results from AGAGE for these two gases and these two years to be included in this interim report to be delivered to the Parties in advance of their next Open-Ended Working Group (OEWG<https://gcc02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Furldefense.com%2Fv3%2F__https%3A%2Fozone.unep.org%2Fmeetings%2F46th-meeting-open-ended-working-group-parties__%3B!!Mih3wA!FfmyZRsviON6aGPDkgH8qDLQT56d6nF80le_Gz3_jI1crbIoqOU3TEXoQ0V6vwepUCdR2uOJNsiKlf6XwmRr1wMb%24&data=05%7C02%7Cagage-sc%40espo.nasa.gov%7Cfad4f8dc5e904c650efc08dc58dea5be%7C7005d45845be48ae8140d43da96dd17b%7C0%7C0%7C638482960522985174%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=tq7IS0stTa2u6Cfac5zGC47bDV7DEbFZKvhZw3Ol%2B08%3D&reserved=0>) meeting in July?

Note that decision XXXV/7 in the attached file has to do with HFC-23. We very much appreciated your willingness to share your updated data for this gas, which was presented in a side event with the Parties at the Meeting of Parties (MOP) last October and at the OEWG held earlier in the year in Bangkok.  Those presentations were well received, and as a result, we (SAP and TEAP) have been "rewarded" by being tasked with also updating the data and science on HFC-23.  This process is underway, is being led by Steve Montzka in collaboration with TEAP, and has a slightly longer time-frame for completion (late summer).  We also hope that you will consider allowing updated AGAGE data (2021 and 2022) to be included in that report for this important chemical.

Looking forward to hearing your reply,
Regards,

Dave Fahey/Lucy Carpenter/Ken Jucks/Bonfils Safari, SAP Co-chairs

Cc: Steve Montzka

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