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<p>Since I will miss Thu meeting (if this comes up) here are some
comments.<br>
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<p>I'm not surprised with the range of responses and #1-3 below are
more on "what if". Certainly we have not talked about medical
care in UK if someone is symptomatic.</p>
<p>#4 had several comments, the 10 vs 14 day one can be addressed by
making executive decisions to use the longer period, even if
shorter is allowed (in UK or by CDC).</p>
<p>The very last one sounds like a concern that is deep enough, that
if we are sending responses, we should tell them to alert their
group leader and express their concern and ask not to participate,
with the group leader hopefully finding an alternate (or not).
I've had one such response from the 19 Sarmiento participants, and
in that case we are finding an alternate, or will sail with one
less.<br>
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<p>This is perhaps more readily discussed over Zoom, but at least in
my experience, comfort levels change at least weekly, and we don't
need to change overall plans at this point, but try harder to
reach out with more info (#1-3) and encourage folks to just say no
(easier said than done for some individuals I realize). <br>
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<p>Ken<br>
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<div>updates on the comments. I answered some easy ones in the
general email to the _all list. Hower many remain. I got total
of 13 comments so far:</div>
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<div>1) several of the comments express their positive view of
everything that we are doing and looking forward to the cruise
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<div>2) <font face="Roboto, Arial, sans-serif" color="#202124"><span style="font-size:14px;letter-spacing:0.2px;white-space:pre-wrap">A couple of questions have more to do with the quarantine itself such as:<i> "</i></span></font><i>
<span style="color:rgb(32,33,36);font-family:Roboto,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;letter-spacing:0.2px;white-space:pre-wrap">Hello, I was wondering if a relative can come quarantine with me in the hotel. Also, which rooms are we expecting if we are students (I saw different dimensions in the hotel's web)?</span> " </i></div>
<div>I will deal with those questions via email/ and 5 minutes
at the beginning of the Process cruise meeting on thursday. <br>
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<div>3) Several of the comments express their concern of the
potential false positives, and ask clarifications on how it
will be dealt with - also they inquire clarification on what
will happen if one gets sick:</div>
<div>e.g. <i>" <span style="color:rgb(32,33,36);font-family:Roboto,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;letter-spacing:0.2px;white-space:pre-wrap">What happens if someone test positive right before the mob? Will that person get looked after financially and logistically?"</span></i></div>
<div><span style="color:rgb(32,33,36);font-family:Roboto,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;letter-spacing:0.2px;white-space:pre-wrap">e.g.<i> " </i></span><span style="color:rgb(32,33,36);font-family:Roboto,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;letter-spacing:0.2px;white-space:pre-wrap"><i>It remains unclear to me what the procedure will be for someone who tests positive and becomes symptomatic. Will they be provided an oximeter, thermometer, palliative medications? Or will they need to secure those themselves? The names of medications are completely different in the UK and we might need some translation/guidance on sources. Will someone check on them on a regular basis to make sure they're ok or does that need to be arranged within lab groups? What are the details of the health coverage and/or potential costs to the participant? Are there local contact people that folks can reach out to for help/questions? </i></span></div>
<span style="color:rgb(32,33,36);font-family:Roboto,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;letter-spacing:0.2px;white-space:pre-wrap"><i>Sorry for so many questions, but this is something I'm really concerned about. It seems if we are going to move forward with this, it's a real risk. Thank you!"</i></span>
<div><font face="Roboto, Arial, sans-serif" color="#202124"><span style="font-size:14px;letter-spacing:0.2px;white-space:pre-wrap">I would appreciate some time to discuss these on PO meeting. <i>
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<div><font face="Roboto, Arial, sans-serif" color="#202124"><span style="font-size:14px;letter-spacing:0.2px;white-space:pre-wrap">4) And then there are worrisome ones:</span></font></div>
<div><i><font face="Roboto, Arial, sans-serif"
color="#202124"><span style="font-size:14px;letter-spacing:0.2px;white-space:pre-wrap">"</span></font><span style="color:rgb(32,33,36);font-family:Roboto,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;letter-spacing:0.2px;white-space:pre-wrap">After my concerns for the health of all participants and about the general trajectory of the pandemic, my biggest worry is that a participant who is not as invested in the success of the field campaign (or who is simply more invested in other projects/aspects of their life -- which should also be OK) will take a risk that jeopardizes the whole thing. I think NASA should commit resources to help mitigate this type of risk, as much as possible."</span></i></div>
<div><i><span style="color:rgb(32,33,36);font-family:Roboto,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;letter-spacing:0.2px;white-space:pre-wrap">
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<div><i><span style="color:rgb(32,33,36);font-family:Roboto,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;letter-spacing:0.2px;white-space:pre-wrap">"</span><span style="color:rgb(32,33,36);font-family:Roboto,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;letter-spacing:0.2px;white-space:pre-wrap">Dave mentioned that we might shorten our quarantine to 10 days and we would be able to do this because we would be designated as "sea farers." I know it is incredibly expensive to keep that many people in a hotel for that long and every day probably helps with finances. But from a COVID safety standpoint, why would we try to "get around" the current law in the UK (requiring a 14 day quarantine from anyone entering the country) and/or flaunt the CDC and probably all of our institutions' best practices? If there is even the slightest chance of someone developing COVID in those last 4 days, despite testing, why wouldn't we just do a 14 day quarantine and follow the rules? "</span></i></div>
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<div><span style="color:rgb(32,33,36);font-family:Roboto,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;letter-spacing:0.2px;white-space:pre-wrap">and the most depressing one: </span></div>
<div><span style="color:rgb(32,33,36);font-family:Roboto,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;letter-spacing:0.2px;white-space:pre-wrap"><i>"There are way too many uncertainties out of our hands. (1) The experiment starts and ends in UK, the epicenter of new COVID variants; (2) Most of people will travel between two biggest airports in the world, New York and London, with arguably greatest exposure to the viruses; (3) Travel bans imposed by the governments, including the US government and the other countries that flights may transit; (4) It is almost impossible to have emergency personnel backup in case COVID-19 positive happens; (5) visa issues for non-US citizens.
The science is great, and in a sense very enticing. While we can always say it is a personal decision, there are unintended pressures forcing people to choose between science and personal safety/health. This is unfair and to a certain extent cruel.</i> </span> "<font
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<div>Thank you for taking time to readthese. #3 and #4 are
most concerning. I would love a discussion (specifically
on #3) how to move forward. </div>
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