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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Hi all,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Following Ray’s comment, it would be useful perhaps to devote this entire meeting to the topic of AGAGE publications.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Because I have to make progress on the website this summer while at MIT, I do need some concrete decisions to be reached. So I propose:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Short presentation on aspects to consider
<b>with regards to automation</b> for website (Anita, 10 mins) <o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Open discussion on what ‘AGAGE publication’ means (20 mins)<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Decisions taken toward website (30 mins, Anita will lay out points that need decisions)<o:p></o:p></span></li></ol>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Also to say that Luke Western has been working on the publication scraping script and has been working with me and Crystal on this. Would it be okay to invite him to this meeting
as a “specialist” on the topic of automation? It would be useful to have him because he knows what the easiest ways are to automate. Let me know if any objections.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Anita<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Dr. Anita Ganesan<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Bristol, BS8 1SS, United Kingdom<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Tel: +44 117 455 1545</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Email: <a href="mailto:anita.ganesan@bristol.ac.uk" target="_blank" title="mailto:anita.ganesan@bristol.ac.uk"><span style="color:#0563C1">anita.ganesan@bristol.ac.uk</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Website: <a href="https://gcc02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Faganesan.blogs.ilrt.org%2F&data=05%7C02%7Cagage-sc%40espo.nasa.gov%7Cc43e9d2c217b4d93bece08dc9cfc6190%7C7005d45845be48ae8140d43da96dd17b%7C0%7C0%7C638557855015271619%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=vGr9UIkMfGIDjoz3bV5UCjVhH4qMJnBejAqjnCjrO18%3D&reserved=0" originalSrc="http://aganesan.blogs.ilrt.org/" shash="W520azGS+/HREzJgTfxowbNy6RsZfd9bAUPl15gQCbXP7g7lR0IEhfod4jLHx+KdadOukqZBjkF26tukMnIPBwf9lw6Z7Q32yMXCLgzzGznaVcvpUbWHAQmIBVOHmm71n0+zW4E2wD4wvJzvS3o/0ROVKyO9+GD9ClLwnsUjSXs=" originalSrc="http://aganesan.blogs.ilrt.org/" shash="P+KrguR7IB48JNTEr5HhQLSJ5Ppa70DVFvlheDIRbHMb6C81aBY/XLlXzX5izV1DRF3wQd40pQ0ubG8twtsFIdiAsgkGlVfi+vMVJK7lYEyWcOVG0h/GGXS2chxKo3Co166NIuoxPMvx3lgC+l/cZI4O9aJF4jh8nlObur79hMI=" target="_blank" title="http://aganesan.blogs.ilrt.org/"><span style="color:#0563C1">http://aganesan.blogs.bris.ac.uk</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">agage-sc <agage-sc-bounces@espo.nasa.gov> on behalf of Weiss, Ray via agage-sc <agage-sc@espo.nasa.gov><br>
<b>Date: </b>Thursday, 4 July 2024 at 20:26<br>
<b>To: </b>Hannun, Reem A. (ARC-SGG) <reem.a.hannun@nasa.gov>, AGAGE SC <agage-sc@espo.nasa.gov><br>
<b>Subject: </b>[Agage-sc] [EXTERNAL] Re: July Meeting<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Hi Reem and the AGAGE SC,</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">I think Anita’s proposed agenda item is just the tip of a larger iceberg, and that it should be expanded. Please see my forwarded message to Bo and others regarding
a new manuscript on Chinese CCl4 that is copied below, plus the recent Chen et al. CFC-11 paper that is cited in that message. This, of course, raises some much larger questions about being an AGAGE publication. Should AGAGE papers be reviewed separately
by the project? Should they be AGAGE papers if their data are not up to AGAGE measurement or calibration standards? These are very important questions that will be difficult to address, but I think we must address them.</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Best, Ray</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">agage-sc <agage-sc-bounces@espo.nasa.gov> on behalf of "Hannun, Reem A. (ARC-SGG) via agage-sc" <agage-sc@espo.nasa.gov><br>
<b>Reply-To: </b>"Hannun, Reem A. (ARC-SGG)" <reem.a.hannun@nasa.gov><br>
<b>Date: </b>Tuesday, July 2, 2024 at 11:27<br>
<b>To: </b>AGAGE SC <agage-sc@espo.nasa.gov><br>
<b>Subject: </b>[Agage-sc] July Meeting</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt">Hi All,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt">Our July meeting is coming up next week on 10 July 15:00 GMT. Please send me agenda items by next Monday, and let me know if you would like to volunteer as convener.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt">So far, I have:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo1"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#212121">What is an AGAGE publication? (Website publication tracker) – Anita, 20 min.</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></li></ol>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt">Take care,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt">Reem<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue Light";color:#666666">Reem A. Hannun</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Ray Weiss
<a href="mailto:rfweiss@ucsd.edu">rfweiss@ucsd.edu</a><br>
<b>Date: </b>Thursday, July 4, 2024 at 12:11<br>
<b>To: </b>Bo Yao <a href="mailto:yaobo@fudan.edu.cn">yaobo@fudan.edu.cn</a>, <a href="mailto:mindean@mit.edu">
mindean@mit.edu</a> <a href="mailto:mindean@mit.edu">mindean@mit.edu</a>, <a href="mailto:jianxin@pku.edu.cn">
jianxin@pku.edu.cn</a> <a href="mailto:jianxin@pku.edu.cn">jianxin@pku.edu.cn</a><br>
<b>Cc: </b>Ron Prinn <a href="mailto:rprinn@mit.edu">rprinn@mit.edu</a>, Jens Mühle
<a href="mailto:jmuhle@ucsd.edu">jmuhle@ucsd.edu</a>, Chris Harth <a href="mailto:charth@ucsd.edu">
charth@ucsd.edu</a>, Luke Western <a href="mailto:luke.western@bristol.ac.uk">luke.western@bristol.ac.uk</a>, Matt Rigby
<a href="mailto:Matt.Rigby@bristol.ac.uk">Matt.Rigby@bristol.ac.uk</a><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: Co-author invitation for Chinese CCl4 emission paper</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Hello Bo, Minde, and Jianxin,</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Thank you for the invitation of co-authorship on this paper. I apologize for my slow reply – I have been going through some medical issues that have kept me from
giving this my full attention. Jens is looking into some important points, and I am writing now to urge you to take whatever time it takes to get this right. If this cannot be sorted out before the Nature Geoscience editor wants the revised paper back, you
must ask for more time. It is also critical that you engage with Chris Harth, who is the top expert in sorting our calibration issues within AGAGE.</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">These calibration concerns are just a small part of a much larger issue involving data integrity between AGAGE and the rapidly growing number of atmospheric ODS
observations being made in China. As certainly Bo and Jianxin know, we in AGAGE have been arguing for years that open data access and open discussion lie at the heart of maintaining AGAGE data quality. Had the CMA not been so inward looking, SDZ would still
be part of the AGAGE network. We now face some of the same issues in sorting out the calibration issues for this new CCl4 paper. Working through these mysteries is further complicated by not following the standard AGAGE procedure of using “out” and “in”
calibration values to find and quantify drift in AGAGE tertiary standards. CCl4 is particularly prone to drift in cylinders, especially as the pressures become lower and the air inside becomes drier. It is important that we get this right</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="p1"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:windowtext">As you know, there is a separate paper recently published by Yuyang Chen et al. on the first CFC-11 data from the new Xichong station in southeastern China
(</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><a href="https://gcc02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdoi.org%2F10.1088%2F1748-9326%2Fad5857&data=05%7C02%7Cagage-sc%40espo.nasa.gov%7Cc43e9d2c217b4d93bece08dc9cfc6190%7C7005d45845be48ae8140d43da96dd17b%7C0%7C0%7C638557855015271619%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=ziw00QNTjzomdKKEQMz%2BVQOvqfmnhmek8dSe0wFF2nc%3D&reserved=0" originalSrc="https://doi.org/10.1088/1748-9326/ad5857" shash="rOEzcoZDWJM4Km9miDTt0xrsjNtxweqsOW4rGOITT76EyI0Id/qoZXehLoGcJWqS1kFR///6TutVnNLS50BISKN85VAVOrvKKRBjHZAO7ApO4L/zofDROrl+Kam3bZ/D/v4sHyM0bjSkshpBygzi30U9fJsb4ZhUTzgXPJz0OCE=" originalSrc="https://doi.org/10.1088/1748-9326/ad5857" shash="PiOmSvVScjM297EazEF/hkz6dVTD6Fj7QTlHCwDGayMYEtYso87Q42kUOlCqqBXXLrnrs/8BZD5NFjZpe0jzqPxB9hvlaCgAYLnpIWaNojGOlVh969owUSTgSmx2i7BLzxrVnrDJWCRLl9trL9THv+BpoPG5rQQaHuEXib3E4oY=">https://doi.org/10.1088/1748-9326/ad5857</a></span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:windowtext">).
This paper even has AGAGE in its title, but there is no discussion of how the AGAGE standards were propagated to those observations, and certainly no discussion of the uncertainties associated with that propagation process. Furthermore, it is clear that,
separate from the calibration questions, the precision of the CFC-11 ODS5-Pro measurements it reports (1% 1-sigma) is 5 to ten times worse that the precision of the CFC-11 measurements reported by a typical AGAGE station with a Medusa GC-MS instrument (0.1%
to 0.2% 1-sigma). This is a critical issue that must be resolved if the ODS5-Pro measurements are to be integrated into the AGAGE network. If this is in fact due to the poor performance of the Chinese GC-MS used in the ODS5-Pro, as I have understood, this
resolution may involve talking with Huanaco and Agilent about overcoming the obstacles that have prevented Huanaco from working with Agilent.
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<p class="p1"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:windowtext">We in AGAGE have enough problems assuring that the Medusas around the world are operated and calibrated properly. We welcome the inclusion of the new
Chinese stations into the AGAGE network, but we cannot accept that this integration reduces the world-leading quality and rigor of the AGAGE measurements. It is time to pay much more attention to doing this integration properly. This is a much bigger issue
than just doing our best to sort out the CCl4 calibrations for this one paper. </span>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Let’s try to resolve these larger issues!</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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